Classless behavior by " coaches"

[Socal16]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. they are 10. Fact laser walked off the field. Ump is bad for both play the game.IMO bad display of sportsmanship.

 

[Westler33]

If that is what makes you feel better than so be it thanks for watching our game and good luck to you this summer

 

[CARDS]

Im an apologist for nobody, but this was the same umpire that EVERY team had a problem with all day Friday. This ump didn't even know some of the rules when I attended the pre game meeting/coin flip. This is the same ump that would blurt out" 1 and 3 count"...........yep, meaning 3 balls and 1 strike. This was a young kid, 15 if rumor is true, and they let him ump a game by himself? Whos really at fault here? I give this kid credit for trying to do a job and I believe he was trying his butt off, but umpiring is not what he is cut out to do. If he is so green, how does he get games for Dayton Metro?

In addition, he was calling strikes against girls where the ball was above the helmet (Lightning game). He was calling strikes that were in the dirt and the catcher had to scoop the ball up on a batter that did not swing (every game he umped).

Sounds like the TD needs to refund some cash here.

If this guy impacted the play "all day" Friday and Saturday morning before a change...It dosent seem fair to the teams that had to suffer on Friday...I wonder if this kid was a sanctioned umpire?

 

[Bekah24]

Here is the situation. Myself and Mike came up with a plan of if things got out of control we would just stop the game and wait until another umpire showed up. It was an agreement between 2 coaches. We had this umpire 2xs this umpire was something I have never seen before. I was thoroughly disappointed by the umpires this whole weekend. No excuses of why we played not great this weekend ,but it sure didn't help. I understand as an outsider it might have looked bad from a far. Mike did not do anything that was not agreed upon.

 

[Dad of Daughters]

Hey Ri and Pete, please save me a few bottles of the Lasers flavor Haterade they're serving down there. Drink it up!!!

 

[yossarian]

The TD should have never allowed that kid on the field let alone by himself at this level of competition. It wasn't fair to him or the teams involved.

 

[Hilliarddad3]

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Here is the situation. Myself and Mike came up with a plan of if things got out of control we would just stop the game and wait until another umpire showed up. It was an agreement between 2 coaches. We had this umpire 2xs this umpire was something I have never seen before. I was thoroughly disappointed by the umpires this whole weekend. No excuses of why we played not great this weekend ,but it sure didn't help. I understand as an outsider it might have looked bad from a far. Mike did not do anything that was not agreed upon.

If that bad for games before, a discussion with UIC if one existed should have happened before game, otherwise you knew what you were in for and play. Qualifier or not, talk with other coaches and let chips fall and let ten year olds play. Tell the girls "ok this tournament is going to be different, just go have fun" and don't go back next year! Hell I let a girl who was handicapped play against us, that was two years older in Gapps years back why? Because it's a kids game.... And a memory the girls 22 years old still talk about.... it's a game people nothing more,


there's more realistic things happening like soldiers are dying overseas defending our country even on this anniversary of DDay.......

 

[Dad of Daughters]

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If that bad for games before, a discussion with UIC if one existed should have happened before game, otherwise you knew what you were in for and play. Qualifier or not, talk with other coaches and let chips fall and let ten year olds play. Tell the girls "ok this tournament is going to be different, just go have fun" and don't go back next year! Hell I let a girl who was handicapped play against us, that was two years older in Gapps years back why? Because it's a kids game.... And a memory the girls 22 years old still talk about.... it's a game people nothing more,


there's more realistic things happening like soldiers are dying overseas defending our country even on this anniversary of DDay.......

Wow holy over dramatic....lot going on in that post....

 

[Captain_Thunder]

Dayton NEEDS to make an immediate call out for Umpires!!!
I just don't think there are enough Umpires in the Dayton area to cover busy weekends, let alone the Metro!
At Kettering Fields in 18U, we only had one Umpire for our last game today......And we are not talking top level by no means!
Got the One-Call this morning saying there were 5-6 umpires who went down due to heat yesterday & things would possibly be this way.
But Dayton has to work to provide better overall staff & training!

 

[larrybowman]

No dog in this fight. Just wanted to say we (16U Doom) only had one real "bad" umpire. In the case of these two teams, wish they could've just come to an off field agreement. Hope they figure it all out. Good luck to all the teams there at Metro. We got knocked out by Classics 99', just tough to contain those bats they've got. Great competition, great games. Wish it was a little more organized, we didn't finish our last game Friday until 11:30 pm. But at least we got it in.

 

[Ri-domination]

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[manitoudan]

What kind of national qualifier has only 1 ump , and that ump obviously unqualified to do the job ? Sounds like the Dayton metro event sucks . I don't have any kids playing but this sounds like a absolute fiasco . Hard working talented kids deserve better than that . Lots of cash gets invested for clubs to travel to Dayton and they get a single ump who doesn't know the rules ? That's awful.

 

[cz fastpitch fan]

I agree that there must be a shortage of umpires. I was at this tourney this weekend. The ump we had behind the plate in our first game today (14U @ Art Van Atta Park) was solid. Very good ump! The field ump...can't say as much. Some umps struggle with the crossover from baseball to softball and need to really learn the difference between an illegal pitch and a balk, and how they are handled. Had some calls that went our way, and some that didn't and that can be said about all tourneys, all sanctions. The umps we had yesterday at Action Sports complex should invest in a new timing device, because a 1:20 game time means you will not start a new inning after the 1:20 mark. Had a base ump call the game with 4 minutes remaining (1:16, top of the 6th) and couldn't really do much about it. It is what it is, and that could happen with any tourney, any sanction. Softball has exploded in the last 10 year and the amount of quality umps has fallen behind that curve.
You play on and hope the outcome of the game is determined by the players, not the people in blue.

 

[ThompsonUSSSA]

Unfortunately in most sports there is becoming more of a shortage of umpires/officials etc in comparison to the number of youth games getting played.

Agreed, in any major event that you put a good investment $$ into, their is some expectation of having decent umpiring...and also expectation that a tournament will adequately man each game that your paying for. (Im sure fees were based off a 2 man system for this event)

Whether the individuals umpires/TD/UIC involved deserved criticism, I can't say some wasn't warranted.
BUT REMEMBER ONE THING, if you want quality umpires, and enough to man your games...treat umpires the same as you wish for your players to be treated.
Too often todays parents, coaches and even some players are disrespectful to umpires, who in turn don't see the value to do this line of 'side work'.
It's not high pay, or a full time job, so don't have the expectation that you'll get MLB quality umpiring in youth softball. Their is A LOT of unreasonable expectations...

Now having someone that knows the basic rules, and can understand the game enough to keep some semblance of control...I hope so. Especially at an event like this.
But considering the size of this event, and also fairly other large events like Beavercreek etc in the near neighborhood, numbers may be too thin and a mistake was possibly made not to drop additional $$ into bringing in farther away help. (I believe Columbus has to this on the weekend that "Lasers" & "Westerville Warcats" tournament run at same time...and any large event at Berliner definitely!)

Sounds like to me, the #'s of umps weren't there and they had to bring a very in-experienced ump in on a younger age group in hope they would get by...
You can have it 'covered' and a few umps go down/call off and next thing you know your in emergency mode. Take whomever you have with a license local (or even still in the class!) and man it. Too late to try and recruit available umpires from farther away associations...

 

[Bekah24]

I agree 100% I really felt bad for the kid. It was not just a situation of a bad call. It went way above and beyond that! I can handle a bad call here and there it happens. It was a complete lack of understanding the game not knowing the count numerous times in 1 inning extra. The game needed to be stopped, and the situation needed to be dealt with. No doubt about it!

 

[Westler33]

What kind of national qualifier has only 1 ump , and that ump obviously unqualified to do the job ? Sounds like the Dayton metro event sucks . I don't have any kids playing but this sounds like a absolute fiasco . Hard working talented kids deserve better than that . Lots of cash gets invested for clubs to travel to Dayton and they get a single ump who doesn't know the rules ? That's awful.

That is the whole idea. I get it if the strike zone is all over and if the base ump blows a call at second base but to put a young kid out there by his self that does not even know the simple rules let alone all the rules at an asa/usa qualifier that's not right. These girls might be ten but they work just as hard as anyone and they deserve to have the game be determined between the lines not from behind the plate from someone who could cost them a national birth because he has never called a game or does not know the rules of the game that's not fair to the kids no matter what age.

 

[Socal16]

Can't find mutual agreement between coaches in the asa rule book? Game should have never started. I apologize to the lasers who have a great team blame is on both teams TD and UIC however you both agreed to start the game? Bad Terrible or clueless ump rules are rules it's a forfeit.

TEAM FAILS TO APPEAR ON FIELD
ASA - it is a forfeited game (5-4B)
NCAA - it is declared no contest (6-20)
Fed - by state association adoption (4-3-1a)
TEAM REFUSES TO BEGIN/CONTINUE GAME
ASA, Fed - forfeit after the time set by organization (A:5-4B, F:4-3-1b)
NCAA - forfeit declared 5 minutes after umpire has called “play” at beginning of game, or 2 minutes during the game (6-19a1, 6-19a3)

 

[Ri-domination]

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[Hilliarddad3]

National berths are like being on Oprah these days, you get to go, you get to go, everybody gets to go!!! They are all money making profit centers.... If you want to go to a National almost anyone can....Eastern, pony, USsa, asa,Disney,pgf, I'm sure there's more.....

They're only ten years old and you're the examples as adults.....

 

[Dad of Daughters]

Hilliard, you expose yourself as having less and less of a clue every time you post. This event is an ASA/USA qualifier, not a regional. Not everyone just gets to go to this national. Please stop with the "they are 10 let them play" routine. It is old and a total straw man argument.