Bars--bretman

[brownsfan]

Bretman...what is the OHSAA rule for ladies who have bars?

DD has a friend on JV who pitches. In today's action, ump forced her to rip it out. No bandage, as some allowed. She had to go to the hospital instead of playing. DD thinks it happened at the HP meeting.

For anyone else who has an opinion, please keep them to yourselves.

Admin, once bretman has answered, please shut down this thread, lock it, and toss it. I'll knowledge on his reply that I saw it.

 

[Captain_Thunder]

What is a bar???
Can't give an opinion when I have no idea what you are talking about....guess I am old...

 

[BretMan2]

Yeah, I'm kind of lost on that one, too...

What do you mean by "bar"? Is it some kind of jewelry?

 

[Simpsoj]

Glad I'm not the only one who was lost!

 

[BretMan2]

As long as it's not a "Browning Automatic Rifle"...let her play!

 

[brownsfan]

It's a type of earring that pierces the front and back of the ear generally about 1/2' down form the top of the ear. From what my dd explained to me, once it's in, it doesn't come out.

 

[CARDS]

What is a bar???
Can't give an opinion when I have no idea what you are talking about....guess I am old...

I do not think the OP cares about anyone's opinion from the post....

I am guessing the OP does not know how to use PM so they put their question on the main board and are asking the moderator to clean up the thread like their mail box...

I would think the answer seems pretty clear.

Its jewelry, no different than nose rings or studs, lip rings, ear gauges etc. that I have seen ladies wearing.
Some umpires enforce the jewelry rule more than others. Players that choose to wear these may be better off not walking up to the umpires before the game.
Out of sight out of mind?
They put these bars in a variety of locations,

 

[brownsfan]

I dont think the OP cares about anyones opinion....

I am guessing the OP does not know how to use PM so they put their question on the main board and are asking the moderator to clean up the thread like their mail box...

I do know how to use a PM. However, I do not know all of the facts either. I don't know if the young lady was at the HP during the meeting, if a bar can bee removed, if it was just done, etc. There's a lot of questions that cannot be answered. I also know some piercings take longer before removal and I do not know if there's any by-laws to that. That's why I asked for facts and not opinions. I was also contemplating on keeping the thread locked so parents who's dd's are thinking of getting thee bars how long the recovery time, and a possible consequence.

So by asking like this, everyone can see the facts.

I'm not even posting my opinion on this, and I do have one. I just want the rule and any by-laws and went to the expert.

 

[Run26]

sounds like a piercing that should take place in fall/winter so it has time to heal before HS ball.

 

[Hilliarddad3]

If its jewelery, it's not allowed in, imagine the tear if a ball took it out.....

 

[backstop09]

The rules state no jewelry. Period. The rules also do not permit an official to require a player to remove jewelry, only to not allow them to participate if they are wearing it. Now, that having been said --------- there are plenty of girls that wear one kind of jewelry or another. The world keeps spinning and the sun keeps coming up in the east. I am an OHSAA official for volleyball and basketball and am also certified for softball but am not active in that. At the beginning of each pregame or prematch conference, all officials ask (or at least SHOULD ask) "coaches, are your players legally equipped and uniformed?". If they answer yes, then my job is done regarding acting as the jewelry police. It is not my job to look under shirts for a belly ring or at an ear or nose with a microscope to see what might be on or in it. If jewelry is discovered during a contest, then it is dealt with in accordance with the rules. The rules say nothing about not being able to wear bandaids on a nose or tape on an ear. If the coach has stated that the players are legally equipped and uniformed then there is nothing in the rules that require or allow me to question what is under a bandaid or tape. Personally, I think NFHS/OHSAA need to get with the times and quit acting like they need to protect girls from piercings. Watch a college game sometime. Plenty of those girls have them and when is the last time a piercing caused a problem?

 

[daboss]

Jewelery is not allowed. Doesn't matter what name you tag to it. This rule has been around a long time. If the young lady was unaware it doesn't matter. She has a choice, remove it or not play. Nothing hard to consider. The umpire did nothing wrong by instructing them if she is going to take the field she needs to remove her jewelery. Kids try to get away with things. Even the staff may have missed she had it. I understand. Still nothing that can be done.

FYI, I didn't know for sure that's what a "bar" was but I DID pick up it probably was some form of jewelery. lol

 

[brownsfan]

If its jewelery, it's not allowed in, imagine the tear if a ball took it out.....

Well she had to tear her own ear, because the ump was being the way he is. So instead of pitching or playing, she spent the evening in the emergency room.

 

[brownsfan]

The rules state no jewelry. Period. The rules also do not permit an official to require a player to remove jewelry, only to not allow them to participate if they are wearing it. Now, that having been said --------- there are plenty of girls that wear one kind of jewelry or another. The world keeps spinning and the sun keeps coming up in the east. I am an OHSAA official for volleyball and basketball and am also certified for softball but am not active in that. At the beginning of each pregame or prematch conference, all officials ask (or at least SHOULD ask) "coaches, are your players legally equipped and uniformed?". If they answer yes, then my job is done regarding acting as the jewelry police. It is not my job to look under shirts for a belly ring or at an ear or nose with a microscope to see what might be on or in it. If jewelry is discovered during a contest, then it is dealt with in accordance with the rules. The rules say nothing about not being able to wear bandaids on a nose or tape on an ear. If the coach has stated that the players are legally equipped and uniformed then there is nothing in the rules that require or allow me to question what is under a bandaid or tape. Personally, I think NFHS/OHSAA need to get with the times and quit acting like they need to protect girls from piercings. Watch a college game sometime. Plenty of those girls have them and when is the last time a piercing caused a problem?

Now we are getting somewhere. I know what the rule states...no jewelry, but is that stated at OHSAA? OHSAA already has one variation concerning pitching and you're allowed the back foot to be off the rubber like in rec ball. ASA/PGF/NSA/ETC does not allow that. But Little League, Pony, and other local rec organizations do.

From my understanding, a young lady wants to get triples or a bar, it takes a year before removal. From my understanding, this young lady didn't played ball before. Sometime in the late in the 8th grade or in summer, decided to get the bar. This is an assumption which is why I did not go into many details. I understand the safety of this which is why I asked for rules and not opinions. I'm not trying to controversial here. I'm just trying to help a family out.

That is why I asked Bretman to answer. Everyone values and respects him. I do not know the rule for jewelry to the letter for OHSAA.

 

[backstop09]

...From my understanding, a young lady wants to get triples or a bar, it takes a year before removal...

Well, then her choices are pretty simple. Get the "triples" or "bar" and don't play or don't get the "triples" or "bar" and do play.

NFHS Rule 3-2-12 states “Players in the game are prohibited from wearing jewelry such as rings, watches, earrings, bracelets, necklaces…..". So, yes, it is "stated at OHSAA".

 

[Hilliarddad3]

Well she had to tear her own ear, because the ump was being the way he is. So instead of pitching or playing, she spent the evening in the emergency room.

Sounds like she made two poor decisions then.... One when she got it and one last night.....

 

[backstop09]

Well she had to tear her own ear, because the ump was being the way he is.

Yeah - how dare he have the nerve to enforce a rule! He didn't rip her ear and he didn't make her take it out. She could have sat on the bench with it in. He didn't stop her from doing that. All it sounds like he did was tell her she couldn't participate while wearing it. The choice to try and remove it was all hers.

 

[BretMan2]

It sounds like you already got your answer...

- Jewelry is prohibited in high school softball.

- The jewelry rule applies only to players who are actively in the game.

- Merely taping over jewelry does not make it legal.

- The first violation is a team warning and the jewelry can be removed to continue playing. A second violation by the same team results in the offender and the head coach being restricted to the bench for the remainder of the game.

 

[coachtomv]

Well she had to tear her own ear, because the ump was being the way he is. So instead of pitching or playing, she spent the evening in the emergency room.

Oookay. Sorry to be harsh, but sounds like blaming someone else for her actions. Alot of that going around these days, maybe teach her some personal responsibility and understand we all have to abide by rules from time to time. There are consequences, make better decisions.

If I were her coach I'd have little sympathy and would respect the rules, all of them, whether I agree or not. Though I'd sit her and not have her try and damage her ear(s) in the process also. Try and change the rule, but until then that's the rule. Such is life.

 

[brownsfan]

It sounds like you already got your answer...

- Jewelry is prohibited in high school softball.

- The jewelry rule applies only to players who are actively in the game.

- Merely taping over jewelry does not make it legal.

- The first violation is a team warning and the jewelry can be removed to continue playing. A second violation by the same team results in the offender and the head coach being restricted to the bench for the remainder of the game.

Thank you. I checked the 2015-2016 manual (have it saved on iBooks) and couldn't find jack thus why I asked. I'm on the site now, and I saw what backstop09 had posted, saw it under uniform regulations; but not in the book unless I am off base which I tend to be at times.