Dealing With Poor Umpires

default

default

Member
From Denny Tincher:

Recently a lot of you have asked how to deal with poor umpires. In my coaching career, I tried all angles and still found myself watching a few games from the parking lot. Finally, it hit me. You just have to adapt to what you get.
Umpires are a lot like the weather conditions. You can complain about them, but it?s a waste of time. No amount of complaining is going to make a significant change.
Without question, the majority of umpires do a great job. But, they are human. Each will carry certain biases into a game. Some like the high strike, others like it low. Some favor one corner of the plate or another. Very seldom is an umpire going to change that preference to please you, so the key is to adapt. Change your pitch location, choose a pitcher who best suits that zone, or just hope the other team?s pitcher can?t adapt as well as yours.
Stay focused on the game. Yes, this is terribly hard to do when you feel you are being harmed by poor calls, but it is like poor weather conditions. The key is to keep your kids focused on the task at hand instead letting the heat, the rain, or a few bad calls beat them down.
Do a little scouting so you won?t be ambushed. We like to know what the opponent will bring to the game. Why not check out the umpire as well. Coaches talk. In most tournaments there is one umpire who likes confrontation, one who wants to show how much he knows, one who wants to be noticed, one who likes to eject someone, and a whole bunch who just want to do their job. Before you challenge a call, you should know which one you are approaching or the outcome might not be so good.
Try to observe very carefully and adjust to the umpire. Different ones obsess over different things. I have seen them get crazy because a coach was too close the dugout door, because a shirt wasn?t tucked, because the batter took too long to get a signal, a pitcher was too slow to take a sign, the coach was six inches outside the box, and some find a thousand different reasons for declaring an illegal pitch. I even saw one umpire in a national tournament stop the game every time a foul ball left the field until that specific ball was returned. She had plenty of softballs, but just didn?t want to get them mixed up with balls from another field. That game had a lot of delays while parents went searching for the softballs. The interesting thing is that the next umpire could care less about any of those things. Find the things that are critical to this umpire and get them out of the way so you can play the game. You might not like it, but you are not going to win the argument.
Finally, realize that umpires sit in their little dressing rooms and talk. You can gain a reputation pretty quickly and find yourself with a huge target on your back from an umpire who comes into the game expecting the worst from you.
When you play an entire game and don?t notice the umpires, be sure to thank them. Those are the ones we want to see remain on the job.
Every umpire will miss a call occasionally and most will go out of their way to make sure they get it right. Be sure you know the rules and approach them in a respectful way and you might get a reversal. But, understand that you are not going to win every time, even when you are right. And you will not change their tendencies. That?s where you get in trouble. If they are not very good at their job, your badgering will not change that. If they have a tight zone, it will probably stay that way no matter how much it raises your blood pressure.
I have seen a couple of people who were successful at working an umpire on occasion, but generally we just have to take what we get. It?s just like the weather conditions. Adapt to them. Or you may be occupying my old space in the parking lot.
 
default

default

Member
Nicely done.

(Notice, people, that no where does it say that constant arguing will get you anywhere.)
 
default

default

Member
Good advice. I've never been thrown out of a game, but have received a few warnings and think I have been close a few times!

I think the thing you have to assume and which is true 90% of the time is that the ump is trying to do their best. Some may not see very well, and some have their own versions of the rules sometimes, but I truly believe most are unbiased and trying their best. The one thing you have to ask yourself is that if you're just frustrated because either your team isn't playing well, or it just happens that a lot of the close plays are going against you ... that can easily happen and the ump can still be right on every call. The other thing you have to be fair about is whether they are being relatively consistent, and note I use the word relatively vs. absolutely ... I've probably seen 10,000 sporting events in my life, and I've yet to see one where the official either didn't miss something or didn't seem to have at least a couple of calls that seemed inconsistent. If you can be civil with the umps before and after the game, and be calm with them when you have a question or an issue with a call, you are going to gain their respect and make it a more enjoyable time for everyone involved. And every once in a while, you might even win an argument with them ... but for the most part, you have to realize that the umpires are out of your control and your focus as a coach should always be on what you can control.
 
default

default

Member
Denny is giving great advice for any coach at any level.


I would like the stats on what the chances of winning a game are after the coach is ejected. I would be willing to bet that it helps your team be successful less than 1% of the games. If it doesn't help your team then why do it? **** it up and get yourself under control.
 
default

default

Member
I had a chance to meet Denny this past weekend. He and his daughter have many students in this area (not his daughter any more - she is PC for VT). He gave lessons all weekend during Diamond 9. He is a highly respected pitching coach. That said he is also a highly respected game coach. One of the more important things he states is to "adjust" to the umpires. As coaches we all ask our hitters to adjust to the pitchers. We ask our pitchers to adjust to certain hitters. We adjust to weather, game start times, we adjust to everything under the sun. Why not adjust to the umpire? It just makes sense. Umpires have feelings too...........
 
default

default

Member
What do you think about the safety aspect of an umpire requiring the pitcher to groove pitches? By design the pitcher is trying to shave the corners and keep the hitters off balance. When the umpire takes the corners away from a pitcher he has increased the danger level for the infielders substantially. Forget about winning or losing, how about making the pitcher serve up pitches that will get ripped back at her or the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] base player. The safety aspect of a bad umpire should be considered.
 
default

default

Member
You have to adjust. Throw your fireballer that loves challenging batters or throw your spinner with more change-ups and drops, the pitcher will have to get balls in play just to get the outs and give up on the K's. Some umpires come to us from baseball and do not see the kind of breaks these girls can throw nor the precision that they throw with when compared to boys of the same age. It surprises the umps, you have to adjust.

Played an 18U game with an ump that gave nothing inside but was calling strikes 8" off the outside, right out of the gate. These two experienced pitchers caught on and both worked those outside pitches and by the end of the game were getting calls more than 12" off. They played that ump like a fine fiddle. Curves were effective and drop-curves devastating. They only threw inside for effect. It would have done no good to discuss the strike zone or get upset. That was the zone for that ump for that game. You have to adjust.
 
default

default

Member
I have to agree with spirit re: the umps with the postage stamp strike zones. Many umps do have some places they won't give you strikes, but offset it with ones where they will. Having been a pitcher's dad, there were probably a half dozen times during her career where the strike zone was like this (usually for both teams), and she was not a fireballer ... in fact her best pitch was her knuckle change ... which is not a pitch you want to throw down the middle! Anyhow, I did worry about her when that happened ... I know she felt like a sitting duck out there, and there just wasn't an adjustment to make ... she sure in the heck wasn't going to walk them!
 
default

default

Member
I to am a pitchers dad and was pleased that my girls wore a mask. When an ump won't give her the edges, won't give her the breaking balls and she had to pitch to the middle of the plate I was thankful for the mask...and i hoped that the outfielders wouldn't run out of room.

My youngest is in college now and she had two umpires last season that gave her the front outside corner on her curve. She couldn't wait to go back out each inning. She thought she was in heaven. The batters thought it was the seventh level of h--l. She threw a lot of curves those two games and she'll be looking for those umps again this year. The umpiring gets better the further you go. Adjust, its okay.
 
default

default

Member
Fairman;

I am not sure I like that advice. “Pitcher wear your mask and also any other protective gear you may have”. The umpire today has a postage stamp strike zone.

How about this? Look in the ASA rule book. What is the definition of a strike? We are paying the umpire to call strikes based on the book, not what he feels should be called a strike.

I understand not all umpires will see the zone the same, however, some of the guy’s I wonder if they see at all.

I actually had an ump tell me he would not call anything a strike above the navel. I asked why? The zone is arm pits to knees; I expressed. He replies “in his opinion any pitch above the navel is too hard to hit”. I think to myself, that’s what a pitcher is trying to do.
 
default

default

Member
Spirit ... I have had a few interesting discussions over the years as well, and I agree with you. But Fairman and the others are right in that you do have to adjust with whatever they are calling, right or wrong ... my point on this one is that there's not much a pitcher can adjust when that is the case ...
 
default

default

Member
Coach..
I agree with fairman and others on the need to adjust. I guess I was trying to make the point that other than winning or losing a game you must consider the safety aspect as well. An umpire can take a position that is already somewhat dangerous and make it sustainably worse by the way he / she calls balls and strikes. If a hitter knows to look for a belt high pitch over the plate and don’t swing till you get it.. Look out! Get out the Kevlar.
 
default

default

Member
But my question is this. How are umpires evaluated? Is it once you pass a written exam, you have free reign to either follow the rules or not? Shouldn't there be an evaluation done such as an observation by someone from the governing body? That would at least tell the umpire whether he/she did well, or needs help. If an evaluator shows up unannounced and sits behind home plate and sees an umpire calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, that should be noted. If they follow the rule book and call it on the corner, then that should be noted. If they are out of position or in position in the field, shouldn't that be noted as well? How can anyone expect to improve without feedback?! Any thoughts?
 
default

default

Member
A few years back when my DD was playing high school ball I told a blue he needed to get his eyes checked, thought he was p_ssed off. Seen the same blue a few weeks later and he told me that I was right he did need glasses. Moral of this story is two parts, to all the blues get eye exams every now and then, and the blues never forget loud mouths.
 
default

default

Member
But my question is this. How are umpires evaluated? Is it once you pass a written exam, you have free reign to either follow the rules or not? Shouldn't there be an evaluation done such as an observation by someone from the governing body? That would at least tell the umpire whether he/she did well, or needs help. If an evaluator shows up unannounced and sits behind home plate and sees an umpire calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, that should be noted. If they follow the rule book and call it on the corner, then that should be noted. If they are out of position or in position in the field, shouldn't that be noted as well? How can anyone expect to improve without feedback?! Any thoughts?
Ive seen this before so it is being done....

We played a double header against Thomas Moore college earlier this fall and there was indeed a NCAA evaluator behind the backstop with a ipad videoing the umps to determine whether were good enough to call college games. This was one hard woman who didnt mince words, would get with the umps between innings and show them where they were out of position and such. She even encouraged me to bend the home plate umps ear a little to see how he reacted, which i thoroughly enjoyed.

I dont know who would have the responsibility of doing this at the travel level.
 
default

default

Member
Hitter23....that's what I was wondering...in summer ball...do the umpires get evaluated? Or do you pass a written exam and can follow the rule book any way you choose because nobody is looking?
 
default

default

Member
UICs (umpire in chief) & or assignors are quite often at your travel tournaments. Over time they know most of who's working their games...good or bad. As with any other profession, pay prestige etc attracts the talent (umps).
If they want and try to do things against the book, or are just bad 'eventually ' will be seen and dealt with...
 
default

default

Member
IMHO the TD should be the one watching/evaluating umpires. It is their rep on the line.
 
default

default

Member
Unfortunately not all tournament directors truely know umpiring well enough to fairly evaluate.
With enough complaints they too may or should make adjustments...challenge the assignor for better umps...pay more or do things to attract top 'blues ', or even switch assignors or (?) sanctioning bodies to bring in different guys to work their games.
 
default

default

Member
Fairman;

I am not sure I like that advice. “Pitcher wear your mask and also any other protective gear you may have”. The umpire today has a postage stamp strike zone.

How about this? Look in the ASA rule book. What is the definition of a strike? We are paying the umpire to call strikes based on the book, not what he feels should be called a strike.

I understand not all umpires will see the zone the same, however, some of the guy’s I wonder if they see at all.

I actually had an ump tell me he would not call anything a strike above the navel. I asked why? The zone is arm pits to knees; I expressed. He replies “in his opinion any pitch above the navel is too hard to hit”. I think to myself, that’s what a pitcher is trying to do.

that is a hack umpire... NOOOOOOOOO RULE MODIFICATIONS!!! IF he/she wants a rule change... submit it to the rules committee and follow that process. If he/she gets a special rule change... then I should get mine!
 

Similar threads

Top