Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Mandatory Mask..Coaches or Parents Decision?

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As I continue to watch this years High School ball, I am amazed at how many pitchers and third basegirl's are not wearing masks. I have been around travel ball for 5-6 years now and quite a few of them are wearing masks at these positions. We get to High School ball where the skill level at these positions, unfortunately is sometimes awfull and they are not wearing masks. What is wrong with these Coaches, have they never seen a girl get a line-drive? These same Travel Ball girls are out there hitting for these High Schools, I am just amazed. It is a COACHES job not to put a kid's health into jeopardy, the same as it is for a parent to make sure their kid's have seat belts on in a car. This has to be mandated by the coach, unfortunately alot of parent's are new to the game and don't have the understanding that a High School Coach should have.
 
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I agree with everything you say. I know a travel ball coach who tells the girls not to wear them because college coaches do not like to see them.
 
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It is up to the parents and players. The coach cannot force a player to wear one in travel or high school. They can make them aware of the extra equipment for protection, but they can not make them wear it.
 
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I believe it is up to the individual at the high school level. Neither one of my daughters have worn one. My oldest who is a senior in college ended her varsity level softball career taking a line drive to the head, suffering with a concussion which lead to calcification on her brain. She is fine today. Her decision. I just pray. I am still of the notion that the bats should be illegal
before the girls have to wear the mask. My high school pitcher will only wear one if she wants to and she does not.
 
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I'm not 100% sure whether or not a High School Coach can mandate it, but if he/she can, it should be enforced. Why take that chance? Especially with the talent pool they are given in some locations.
 
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It is up to the parents and players. The coach cannot force a player to wear one in travel or high school. They can make them aware of the extra equipment for protection, but they can not make them wear it.

Why can't a coach enforce that a player wears it? They enforce a ton of stuff like, no gum, run on and off the field, stay in the dugout between innings the list is endless. Don't get me wrong, I have mixed feelings about it. My DD doesn't like wearing one but I've seen players hit in the face with one as well as without, the later is not pretty!
 
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Same topic for the 1000th time. Address the ball first, bats second through mandated rules. Let the masks be optional at that point. By legislating the mask we are letting the ball and bat manufacturers off the hook.
 
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I was bored.......lol. Although, I can't see them changing the bats. This way they profit from the bats and masks.
 
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It is up to the parents and players. The coach cannot force a player to wear one in travel or high school. They can make them aware of the extra equipment for protection, but they can not make them wear it.

Right and Wrong....a coach cannot force a player to wear one, however he can say either wear it or play for another team.
Wizards has had a policy for about 4 years now for 1st, 3rd and pitchers to wear them at 14U and below. 16U and above must sign waivers acknowledging that they are aware of the dangers of not wearing a mask and waive it.
5 years ago there were very few players wearing defensive masks in NW Ohio and today there are hundreds wearing them... most of them are not mandated.
Our parents thanked us for not leaving it up to them because they did not want to argue with their child (or they couldn't say no to them).

The deciding factor for us mandating it was because of an email that I received from a father whose daughter got hit by a ball, last game of the season, last inning. 7 root canals, surgeries, numerous psychologist visits and countless nightmares (by daughter and Dad) later she has recovered to pitch again. His question to me was, "why take the chance?"
 
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A coach can require the mask. It goes like this: "put it on or don't play 3b". So far I haven't gotten an argument. My kids aren't HS age but it shouldn't matter. The coach controls the line-up.
 
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I tell my players that they can wear a mask if they like but it is not mandatory. It should ultimately be the player and parents decision.

Lets not regulate ourselves to death...that's the governments job...LOL!
 
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Parents responsibility to decide what is best for their DD. I do not agree when a coach makes masks mandatory. As a coach, I have recommended masks for corners and pitchers.
 
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Parents responsibility to decide what is best for their DD. I do not agree when a coach makes masks mandatory. As a coach, I have recommended masks for corners and pitchers.

My ultimate question for you is, why would you recommend they wear one? You ultimately know there is a risk, or you wouldn't be recommending one!
 
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The added safety that a mask provides is obvious. But making it mandatory is what I have a problem with. Where does it end? Elbow pads for hitters? Ankle shields? Tail bone pads for when outfielders try to stop in a muddy field? Kevlar uniforms?

We're playing a sport. Physical activity can lead to an injury. If you want to be 100% safe, stay home.

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INMHO it is probably more of experienced parents that do not enforce masks. I know many parents believe that defending yourself is a part of the game. And accidents do happen. And I agree that the lesser skilled players should be protected. One of my DD friends is a pitcher at a pac 10 school and in the first game this past fall she took a line drive to the face and had 40 fractures. This kid throws in the high 60-70 range. The bones in her face between her eyes and the bridge of her nose are still healing so she wears a ******** mask to protect that area. she came back better than ever and is like 20-5 for her school as a true freshman. there is an inherent danger to a pitcher or corner infielder, the fact is that there has always been that danger in fastpitch. Even before there were masks. Yes bats and balls are hotter as well as the everyday velocity of pitchers has increased. That in and of itself increases risk. However, I believe as a parent of a kid who wants to play at a high level must learn to pitch and play with the respect the game deserves. As a pitcher one of the things that drives the point of location home, is the fact that "if I put down the middle I could eat it". Now that should be respected and not feared. If you are afraid to throw down the middle chances are you will make enough mistakes getting the ball driven back at you would not be a problem. I am afraid that teaching the FEAR of getting hit takes away from the learning to play this game effectively with respect for the game. I am sure that at some point it will become mandatory till a certain age. Until then, however, you will have coaches and parents that disagree with masks. There is still a strong contingent of NCAA coaches who do not recruit "masks". While you can make the argument that if a player plays as well with a mask as a player with out one, what is the difference? The difference is the PERCEIVED mental strength of the player who wears a mask. If that player has the fear of getting hit what else is she afraid of?
I am not an advocate either way I see both sides. My DD did wear a mask until recently and she actually feels better about her game now that she does not wear it. She said she feels like it actually held her back to some degree. I do not know to what degree she is referring to, but I know that since removing the mask she has become infinately tougher. Now I am not naive enough to believe that to be all due too the mask. Most of that probably comes from MATURITY any way. I do know that several of the NCAA D1 schools that are looking at her have all said that the would rather not see a mask. Even the coach of the girl that got hit. Once she has the ok from the Doctor I would say she will take her mask off too. But, that is only speculation. My point is this. This is a game that should be fun for all. The kids that I see having the most fun are the ones that have a deep rooted passion for this game and play it hard. While other types of kids find it fun as well, the ones that have the deep passion are the ones that put in all the extras to play as high of level of ball as they can muster. Whether or not a kid wears a mask should not affect the ability to have fun. At some point, however, she might need to prepare herself for life with out a mask. Especially if she is really talented and the thought process of college coaches does not change. In the last few years there has been a couple of pitchers at the D1 level take line drives to the face. Probably the most notable was Alicia Hollowell from Arizona. She got hit earlier in her spring season missed four weeks and came back to win a national title. Without a wearing a mask. It was scary but at the same time made her a better PITCHER. It made her pause and evaluate the critical importance of executing each and every pitch and it's location.
 
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I wanna make myself clear, I did say HIGH SCHOOL ball. Not that they shouldn't be worn in Travel Ball. We have come up against some schools, who's entire skill level was lacking. Run -ruled them by over 25, none of these players were wearing mask, need I say more!
 
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See all this ^^^^^.......this is why a coach cannot force a player to wear a mask. Until it becomes mandatory like the face masks and chin straps on helmets, there will always be those who choose not to wear it and you cannot make them.
 
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We're playing a sport. Physical activity can lead to an injury. If you want to be 100% safe, stay home.

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We're driving a car. Driving can lead to an injury. If you want to be 100%, stay home. Wait a minute, isn't there some statistic that states more injuries happen in the home;&


why do they mandate batting helmets? why do they mandate masks on the batting helmets? why do they mandate chin straps?

SAFETY
 
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My ultimate question for you is, why would you recommend they wear one? You ultimately know there is a risk, or you wouldn't be recommending one!

Sure there is a risk. Risks are everywhere. My DD wears a mask while pitching, but has decided she did not want to wear it at 1B and I was ok with it.

This is not why I do not make it mandatory, but I would assume if a coach makes a mask mandatory and it fails, the coach could be held responsible.

As I said before, I feel it is up to the parents.
 
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John I agrre with you, if a coach makes it mandatory would that coach be resonsible if it failed or shattered the resulted in severe injury. I would like to see some testing and some data on the masks that fail. That seems to be a factor that no one thinks about but it has had to have happened.
 
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