Paid Coaches Good Or Bad

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The reality is youth coaches are paid in alot of different sports. Usually, the parent group has so tired of daddy ball that they want someone who is impartial, yet very qualified - i.e. a high school or college coach. My daughter plays volleyball on a very well known club in Cleveland where every coach is compensated, unless they have a daughter in the program then their compensation becomes no team fees. Every coach in the program has either HS or college coaching experience.

For what these "pro" coaches make for a season, there is no way to say they are only in it for the money. Many of these coaches are only making between $1000-3000. If they are coaching a travel team, it is because they love the game and love helping kids improve, the compensation helps justify the time away from their spouse and even their own kids to spend time with yours.

 

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Thanks, Tim ... yes, I figured I was done coaching after 23 years of coaching my own kids, until my daughter (who plays in college) told me she was thinking about combining coaching with a teaching career, so we are doing it together ... doing both her old high school team in the winter camp down at CSU, and then her old travel organization at 16-U level next summer. This year she will probably end up assisting me more, but I told her next year I planned to assist her. Who knows, maybe someday she will be coaching at the high school level and will have me help her there too, and I'll be able to make the really big bucks!

 

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The reality is youth coaches are paid in alot of different sports. Usually, the parent group has so tired of daddy ball that they want someone who is impartial, yet very qualified - i.e. a high school or college coach. My daughter plays volleyball on a very well known club in Cleveland where every coach is compensated, unless they have a daughter in the program then their compensation becomes no team fees. Every coach in the program has either HS or college coaching experience.

For what these "pro" coaches make for a season, there is no way to say they are only in it for the money. Many of these coaches are only making between $1000-3000. If they are coaching a travel team, it is because they love the game and love helping kids improve, the compensation helps justify the time away from their spouse and even their own kids to spend time with yours.

Well said. I don't get how someone who doesn't coach could dare to say that someone who does shouldn't be compensated for their time. A LOT of time and energy goes into coaching at the travel level. So I should expect someone to coach, teach and develop my kid for grins. Should school teachers be in it for the kids and work for free? Should pitching, batting & fielding instructors be in it for the girls and work for free? Should a pediatrician be in it for the kids and work for free? Seems like a very selfish attitude to think the coach should teach my kid for free so I can spend more money on her equipment, so I can buy her a new $400 bat every year as one of the survey choices state.

 

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There are ****** coaches that get paid $5,000-$10,000 to coach travel ******. There was a former Div 1 assistant coach that got flown to Texas to coach an elite travel ****** team and got reimbursement for travel, and got paid $12,000 to coach. It is somethjing that is very common in ******. There are a lot of former ****** coaches and players that coach, and get paid for it. There are also a lot of elite socccer kids that only play travel ****** and NO high school ******.

 

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There are ****** coaches that get paid $5,000-$10,000 to coach travel ******. There was a former Div 1 assistant coach that got flown to Texas to coach an elite travel ****** team and got reimbursement for travel, and got paid $12,000 to coach. It is somethjing that is very common in ******. There are a lot of former ****** coaches and players that coach, and get paid for it. There are also a lot of elite socccer kids that only play travel ****** and NO high school ******.

Did you ****** type all ****** that so ****** you could ****** see all those ****** spewed across ****** the page?? Then throw ****** in an extra "c" to see ****** if we were ****** paying attention??

 

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Here's my opinion. In many circumstances, if you are playing for a team that is charging you $750-$1000 or more for 6-8 tourneys a year, they are in it for the money, and not for the girls. I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule, but in some of the instances in my area, it is so blatant that you would have to be blind not to see what they are doing. Some of these teams are being used to subsidize large indoor training facilities where the facility came first, and the teams as a profitable afterthought. There is one such upstart team that wanted almost $400 for fall ball PER PLAYER! I guess there are some people that think that is a good idea, but I don't know any. I think that some people are just so convinced by the old phrase that "you get what you pay for" they don't even realize when someone puts them over the barrel. I think its sad that many people don't realize that you can get on a quality team with great coaching all over the state without having to take out a second mortgage.
JMHO

 

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There are ****** coaches that get paid $5,000-$10,000 to coach travel ******. There was a former Div 1 assistant coach that got flown to Texas to coach an elite travel ****** team and got reimbursement for travel, and got paid $12,000 to coach. It is somethjing that is very common in ******. There are a lot of former ****** coaches and players that coach, and get paid for it. There are also a lot of elite socccer kids that only play travel ****** and NO high school ******.

Is this a record for the most ****'d out words in one post?

 

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Can't The Bear May put some kind of filter on our website so that we can never use the word "******"? Or simply put anybody who uses it on "double secret probation" where,if violated, they disappear for 6 months like Daddy Dice?

 

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Can't The Bear May put some kind of filter on our website so that we can never use the word "******"? Or simply put anybody who uses it on "double secret probation" where,if violated, they disappear for 6 months like Daddy Dice?

I believe the "web site" has an auto-correct feature built in for every time the word s-0cc-er is used it is "auto-replaced". That has been deemed a bad word on this site... ;&

 

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I really don't have an opinion. Maybe I the "market" has driven different regions to put up different options... paid, per diem, not paid, and whatever hybrid cash exchange there could be concocted. Each team/org has their position and quite honestly I like to see and know who gets paid and who doesn't. IMO... if they are paid, they had better have something that us non-profit and not-for-pay teams do not... stereotypical I'm sure, but, "it is what it is". I enjoyed facing teams like Orland Sparks and their stacked teams of girls with 2-3 years experience and our team of less than 3 months experience and they only win by 1 run 2 games in a row. Our girls actually gained a "ton" from that...cause they knew the deal and they rose to the occasion. Was awesome...so for what it's worth it adds character to the game.

 

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Just a note...I did not put all of those *** ups for the Sokker word......When I hit post....it did it on its own...just figured it was a bad word........LOL....the extra "C" was just a typo!!! HAHAHA

 

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Paying the coach isnt apealing, but this year we have a head coach that doesnt have a dd on the team. She is doing it to teach and for the love of the game. When we travel we will help her with gas, mabey take her out to dinner. I love the fact she is giving back to the sport both her and her DD loves. Her DD played for years, and now she is trying to build another team from scratch. Coaches like this need to be given a hand and thanked for sticking around and putting up with us fastpitch parents (nuts, crazy people).

 

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Here's my opinion. In many circumstances, if you are playing for a team that is charging you $750-$1000 or more for 6-8 tourneys a year, they are in it for the money, and not for the girls. I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule, but in some of the instances in my area, it is so blatant that you would have to be blind not to see what they are doing. Some of these teams are being used to subsidize large indoor training facilities where the facility came first, and the teams as a profitable afterthought. There is one such upstart team that wanted almost $400 for fall ball PER PLAYER! I guess there are some people that think that is a good idea, but I don't know any. I think that some people are just so convinced by the old phrase that "you get what you pay for" they don't even realize when someone puts them over the barrel. I think its sad that many people don't realize that you can get on a quality team with great coaching all over the state without having to take out a second mortgage.
JMHO

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. I know of just such a team and it is a shame.

 

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Well, parents will pay for whatever they feel is worth it. I think most parents secretly think there's somebody else who knows more, and if they're charging more money, the parent thinks that's just the proof that they're the best.

 

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Heres my 2 cents. There is no right or wrong answer to the question for everyone. It is up to an organization, a team, a family, and an individual. Does having a paid coach ensure a great season, and a solid coach that will be everything you expect? Nope. Have people been burned by "pro" coaches and daddy ball alike? Sure. There are plenty of great coaches out there that don't take compensation for what they do. My personal opinion is that some paid coaches, and or teams that are out to make a profit are tarnishing what this is supposed to be about, and that of course is the girls.

There are several different scenarios that can be played out. But the common theme is that you want to find a coach for free that will guide your team to the ASA state championship, a respectable place at nationals, market and ultimately help our dd get a scholarship. You want the coach for free to maintain a website, take many phone calls, emails (especially at recruiting age). You want the coach for free to insure that he has the hotel rooms, lodging, trip itenerary sent out. You want the free coach to order uniforms, talk with TD about getting such an such tournament, make recommendations for equipment, develop player profiles and have them printed. You want the free coach to teach your daughter all he knows about the sport, go to coaching clinics, stay at the fields longer to scout another teams. You want the free coach to have the stats completed by Monday after tournament, and ultimately graded properly. You want the coach to maintain equipment and team gear. Ultimately, you want the coach to WIN.

Personally- that is a heck of deal for free. I think we might be just a little selfish not to throw the coach a bone and get them dinner every once in awhile. Its just the right thing to do. The guys/gals spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about your dd and how to make her better.

You talk about profit - unless the coach is making 100k a year, they arent making a profit. Their time is worth something also.

Yes, I know.... For the love of the game....give back to the community.....give back to softall. This is a year commitment, we are not talking about a day commitment.

 

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There are several different scenarios that can be played out. But the common theme is that you want to find a coach for free that will guide your team to the ASA state championship, a respectable place at nationals, market and ultimately help our dd get a scholarship. You want the coach for free to maintain a website, take many phone calls, emails (especially at recruiting age). You want the coach for free to insure that he has the hotel rooms, lodging, trip itenerary sent out. You want the free coach to order uniforms, talk with TD about getting such an such tournament, make recommendations for equipment, develop player profiles and have them printed. You want the free coach to teach your daughter all he knows about the sport, go to coaching clinics, stay at the fields longer to scout another teams. You want the free coach to have the stats completed by Monday after tournament, and ultimately graded properly. You want the coach to maintain equipment and team gear. Ultimately, you want the coach to WIN.

Personally- that is a heck of deal for free. I think we might be just a little selfish not to throw the coach a bone and get them dinner every once in awhile. Its just the right thing to do. The guys/gals spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about your dd and how to make her better.

You talk about profit - unless the coach is making 100k a year, they arent making a profit. Their time is worth something also.

Yes, I know.... For the love of the game....give back to the community.....give back to softall. This is a year commitment, we are not talking about a day commitment.

EXACTLY. I'm baffled that PARENTS can have the nerve to demand that a coach should do all that for free. Non-parent coaches should most definitely be paid. If your lucky enough to have a great coach doing it free because they have a kid on the team, Akadema1 gives great advice, throw them a bone now and then. They are doing a lot more then those that are just parents.

 

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Good posts Akadema and Must. Most non-coaches have no idea what all is involved to be a good coach, both in terms of time and money. Lots of people complain about "daddy ball" and assume that many of those who coach do it to get their DD more playing time ... but imagine being one of those coaches putting in all that time and money, and then going home after a tournament to face the spouse and DD to explain why the DD played less. Being now a coach without a DD playing, I will admit its one less thing to worry about wondering if anyone thinks she is playing too much. My issue now is getting the same kind of commitment from all the players and parents that I give, and that my DD gave when she played.

 

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There are several different scenarios that can be played out. But the common theme is that you want to find a coach for free that will guide your team to the ASA state championship, a respectable place at nationals, market and ultimately help our dd get a scholarship. You want the coach for free to maintain a website, take many phone calls, emails (especially at recruiting age). You want the coach for free to insure that he has the hotel rooms, lodging, trip itenerary sent out. You want the free coach to order uniforms, talk with TD about getting such an such tournament, make recommendations for equipment, develop player profiles and have them printed. You want the free coach to teach your daughter all he knows about the sport, go to coaching clinics, stay at the fields longer to scout another teams. You want the free coach to have the stats completed by Monday after tournament, and ultimately graded properly. You want the coach to maintain equipment and team gear. Ultimately, you want the coach to WIN.

Personally- that is a heck of deal for free. I think we might be just a little selfish not to throw the coach a bone and get them dinner every once in awhile. Its just the right thing to do. The guys/gals spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about your dd and how to make her better.

You talk about profit - unless the coach is making 100k a year, they arent making a profit. Their time is worth something also.

Yes, I know.... For the love of the game....give back to the community.....give back to softall. This is a year commitment, we are not talking about a day commitment.

Couldn't agree more. Most parents have NO IDEA what is involved in coaching a travel team. It is a hard job.

 

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There are several different scenarios that can be played out. But the common theme is that you want to find a coach for free that will guide your team to the ASA state championship, a respectable place at nationals, market and ultimately help our dd get a scholarship. You want the coach for free to maintain a website, take many phone calls, emails (especially at recruiting age). You want the coach for free to insure that he has the hotel rooms, lodging, trip itenerary sent out. You want the free coach to order uniforms, talk with TD about getting such an such tournament, make recommendations for equipment, develop player profiles and have them printed. You want the free coach to teach your daughter all he knows about the sport, go to coaching clinics, stay at the fields longer to scout another teams. You want the free coach to have the stats completed by Monday after tournament, and ultimately graded properly. You want the coach to maintain equipment and team gear. Ultimately, you want the coach to WIN.

Personally- that is a heck of deal for free. I think we might be just a little selfish not to throw the coach a bone and get them dinner every once in awhile. Its just the right thing to do. The guys/gals spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about your dd and how to make her better.

You talk about profit - unless the coach is making 100k a year, they arent making a profit. Their time is worth something also.

Yes, I know.... For the love of the game....give back to the community.....give back to softall. This is a year commitment, we are not talking about a day commitment.

IMO if they want to pay... let them buy the team's uniforms or take on a "task" that was so well laid out you. That is a personal deal... now if I loose my job my tone may change ;&. You are right on point as to the work load and the behind the scenes work that it takes to keep a team alive not to mention an organization. For me, it's a love for the game and results the girls get as they grow. Again, very well said.

 

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There are several different scenarios that can be played out. But the common theme is that you want to find a coach for free that will guide your team to the ASA state championship, a respectable place at nationals, market and ultimately help our dd get a scholarship. You want the coach for free to maintain a website, take many phone calls, emails (especially at recruiting age). You want the coach for free to insure that he has the hotel rooms, lodging, trip itenerary sent out. You want the free coach to order uniforms, talk with TD about getting such an such tournament, make recommendations for equipment, develop player profiles and have them printed. You want the free coach to teach your daughter all he knows about the sport, go to coaching clinics, stay at the fields longer to scout another teams. You want the free coach to have the stats completed by Monday after tournament, and ultimately graded properly. You want the coach to maintain equipment and team gear. Ultimately, you want the coach to WIN.

Personally- that is a heck of deal for free. I think we might be just a little selfish not to throw the coach a bone and get them dinner every once in awhile. Its just the right thing to do. The guys/gals spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about your dd and how to make her better.

You talk about profit - unless the coach is making 100k a year, they arent making a profit. Their time is worth something also.

Yes, I know.... For the love of the game....give back to the community.....give back to softall. This is a year commitment, we are not talking about a day commitment.

Everything you said plus let's not forget,
Pick up or drop off girls that need rides for games or practices. Hours spent registering the girls on VTD for insurance or softball sanctions. Dealing with a select few parents that are never happy.

Now I agree with all of the things you listed as the coach does plus I have added 3 other things. We can pretty much all agree that all these things must be done by the coach for the team. I am sure we are missing some other things as well.

NOW do all this for not just one team but for 6 teams, plus do the following for the organization on top of all that.

Incorporate with the state. File 501(c)(3) with the IRS(not easy takes alot of time). Plan organizational meetings. Attend the meetings. Set up coaches meetings for all organizational teams. Attend coaches meetings. Setup and acquire field use. Drag and line field before every league game(every single day of the weekday). Install the home run fence. Cut the grass because the school wont. Fix up the field for the school (two weekends 75 tons of dirt). Run tryouts for team and organization. Secure indoor practice facility after checking out many such places. Help with any game, practice or tournament with the other teams in the organization because a coach cant make it. Advertise the team, league, tournament, or organization were ever possible.

Tournament
Host, plan, setup, and run a tournament. Spend 35hrs on that weekend running it.

League
Attend all league meetings, schedule all league games, reschedule games during the season, Community Rep for the league, run the one call system for the league, Insurance czar for the league to make sure all teams are insured. One of the leagues web admins, 12u division coordinator for 42 teams, on committee for all age divisions team placement of 168 teams,

I also have 2 girls playing with the organization and I still pay the same cost for each of my girls to play that every single parent in the organization pays. No breaks given or taken for me to do all this, and I think we can all agree is way more than any one coach with only one team to worry about has to do.

All I can say is the girls in our organization get allot more than most, for allot less cost than anyone else. And we do it for FREE and for the GIRLS.