Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Pitching speeds

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I speak to a local D1 coach fairly consistently and she always focuses on movement and placement over speed. Her philosophy is no more than 20% fastballs and even that is high for her. Curve, Screw, Drop, Drop Curve, and a good rise every once in a while work well. Throw in a Change and you have a deadly mix (as long as they are placed well). Throw the fastball to seal the deal ever once in a while.
 
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Bill Vasko, that was was something I caught. There seemed to be a big difference on times with our girls at the NFCA camp when you look at times that were recorded at the Queen of Diamonds on times. I know there you got more than one chance to hit a time. We have had two college coaches time my dd from home to first and the time at the NFCA camp is not even close to what they recorded her at the Q. It will be interesting Thursday when she gets to go thru the same drills again to see what times they post.
 
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Better yet how about all the 10u's this year saying they are pitching at 50+ and 4 and 5 pitches.

We have some 10u's on our team with 5 pitches: rise ball (can throw it 2 feet over the catcher's head), drop (at least 2 bounces before it gets to the plate) drop curve (can hit the SIDE of the backstop pretty good) and screw (consistently behind the batters' rear end) so I don't know what games you've been watching!;&
 
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We have some 10u's on our team with 5 pitches: rise ball (can throw it 2 feet over the catcher's head), drop (at least 2 bounces before it gets to the plate) drop curve (can hit the SIDE of the backstop pretty good) and screw (consistently behind the batters' rear end) so I don't know what games you've been watching!;&

:lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
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SBFAMILY--lemme know the results.

Bill Vasko, that was was something I caught. There seemed to be a big difference on times with our girls at the NFCA camp when you look at times that were recorded at the Queen of Diamonds on times. I know there you got more than one chance to hit a time. We have had two college coaches time my dd from home to first and the time at the NFCA camp is not even close to what they recorded her at the Q. It will be interesting Thursday when she gets to go thru the same drills again to see what times they post.
 
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My 9u just just picked up a ball and threw a 68 mph screwball and she has never pitched before. We might sign her up for lessons.
 
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When we need to start a campfire, I just have DD throw a fastball. I think she's up around the sound barrier, but I haven't clocked her officially.
 
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I saw something on the NFCA website when looking for my DD's results that listed speeds and if that was good, average, best etc. Apparently my DD needs work with a 57mph fastball consistently. That was the category she fell into..."needs work". I don't know if she'll ever get those 60mph speeds, but you never know. I agree with the thought that speed isn't everything.

What's a good mph for a curve and drop ball? I don't have hers in front of me, but I'd like to find that out. Her change was 40mph.
 
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Some of the speeds can be there but the girls need opportunity to hit spots all the time. It is one thing to pitch to a coach or parent and something completely different to pitch to a catcher with a batter in a game situation.
 
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My 9u just just picked up a ball and threw a 68 mph screwball and she has never pitched before. We might sign her up for lessons.

Nah that's nothing...my 9 month old cousin can throw a 68 mph riser just by drooling on the ball...
 
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I speak to a local D1 coach fairly consistently and she always focuses on movement and placement over speed. Her philosophy is no more than 20% fastballs and even that is high for her. Curve, Screw, Drop, Drop Curve, and a good rise every once in a while work well. Throw in a Change and you have a deadly mix (as long as they are placed well). Throw the fastball to seal the deal ever once in a while.

And you'll find that each college coach has their own opinion of what is effective, and what isn't. It all depends on what the coach believes, and what type of pitcher they are working with.

As far as different speeds, like between the fastball and changeup, the MOST important thing is that the changeup initially LOOKS just like a fastball at release to the batter. Then, the slower the better - provided it does not drop too soon. Many really good changeups actually drop on the plate, with the batter swinging because they were fooled.

Speed differences also vary depending on the type of changeup thrown. A handshake changeup typically won't be as slow as a backhand changeup. I always liked the backhand, because it had to be thrown harder (with more energy), and that helped with the illusion of it being a faster pitch.
 
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DD fastball is consistently hitting 58-60 on the gun at pitching lessons, on the field in game "looks" faster but I'm not sure it is. But, in a game situation the fastball it her least used pitch. Curve or screwball for lefty, rise and change are her most used pitches for strikeouts. She may only throw 10 fastballs a game. So I agree that spin and movement are more important than speed alone. Her pitching coach has her use the revfire in the off season, it's a great tool to have.
 
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Fastest pitcher we have seen all year was the girl from the Indy Dreams Gold down at Stingrays. She had to be consistently hitting 62-63. Haven't seen any other pitchers all year consistently hitting close to 60, mid to upper 50's maybe.
 
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we have a girl that stays at 46-54 or SLOWER and prob has an ERA under 2 this summer at top level 14u and playing up several times at 16u. lots of movement and deception though. MD
 
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Well I just found out one difference on running times. I was told everyone has to start on the right side of the plate, even if you were a lefty. That would make a difference.
 
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Dan it was the only college camp we have attended that timed them this way. It sure makes a difference if you are a lefty. Probably why only one kid was under 3.0.
 
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60 plus pitching is like the Yetti, bigfoot, or the Loch Ness Monster, tons of eye witnesses but never a live creature to be found
 
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we have a girl that stays at 46-54 or SLOWER and prob has an ERA under 2 this summer at top level 14u and playing up several times at 16u. lots of movement and deception though. MD

That's an understatement! Fun to watch her.
 
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Well I just found out one difference on running times. I was told everyone has to start on the right side of the plate, even if you were a lefty. That would make a difference.

I time all of my players from the same point as well, no matter what side they hit from. And I think thats the way these camps should do it also. I want to know how fast someone is compared to everybody else. Everybody starts from the same spot at first base, so I need to know who my fastest players are for base stealing purposes. Timing someone from the left side of the plate doesn't make them faster, it makes the distance they have to travel shorter......
 

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