Poaching Players & Jumping Ship

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I have my own opinion of both of these topics but I am very curious to hear others thoughts. When is it alright for a coach to approach a player who has already committed to another team? and is jumping ship when a player leaves mid season or after a commitment, financial or verbal at any time has been made?
 
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The girl should play where ever she and her parents think is the best situation for her. No team "owns" a girl.
 
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The BearMay will get you if you don't watch out and if he ever gets you then you will scream and shout. You'll go Highty, Highty, Highty, Highty, Highty, Highty, Highty, Ho! Then you will be suspended for a week! LoL
 
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Agree. No team "owns" a player. It is a family and players decision to play where they want and is in their best interest.
 
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I would hope the parent/player approaches the coach looking 1st.I'd feel a little "bush league" approaching a player who already has a team.Maybe I'd reach out to a player not at our tryout during the tryout period of the season.

How do parents feel when they see other orgs. attending other teams tryouts?I remember seeing 4 coaches with 4 players show up at our tryout wearing full gear(coaches included)?That seemed like a "bush league" way to entice parents/players without actually approaching players?

On leaving a team-hopefully you were advised prior to commitment on your role.If coach told you were #4 pitcher,live with it or leave now and not waste half a season "anticipating" moving up in the food chain.Leaving half way through the season-is the grass really going to be greener?

That starts an entire other subject-jumping ship because of playing time?Should have been told up front.Do you feel being a sub on an upper level team helps your future or do you get playing time on a lower level team and promote yourself.

If a player/parent jumps ship due to bad atmosphere,unhappy summer,daddy-ball(unless dad's kid is that good),bad magement,etc.,then I found those elements worth while looking elsewhere.
 
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Yikes, that is a touchy one.....I see a lock coming out!!!
 
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A player is always free to go, but they should not expect any money back nor any respect as a team player going forward. There are caveats to this, but not very many. JMHO
 
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must be January or maybe Feb ? this topic has been beat to death and really no fun since we can't name teams or players (and I agree we should'nt)

I should charge for advice on this topic , my dd has been recruited and kicked off 1/2 the teams in ohio . LOL x 100 MD
 
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A player is always free to go, but they should not expect any money back nor any respect as a team player going forward. There are caviats to this, but not very many. JMHO

The3dm, no respect as a team player? Is there any situation where you feel the player is justified in changing teams?
 
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Why the response Bear? I keep hearing how team are telling their girls to go to other teams tryouts...are they not allowed to wear "last years" team? What is the deal...?

PS, DD has committed to the team that committed to her last year...not changing.
 
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The3dm, no respect as a team player? Is there any situation where you feel the player is justified in changing teams?

As I said "there are caveats".

I have had parents come to me before the snow flies and say that they no longer feel that the team they are on is a good fit. I respect that kind of honesty and they got all their money back.

Had another year where a 16u player played the first day of the first tournament and decided she would never get time at the position she wanted so she resigned to go play for a team that would play her at that position. I respected her honesty, but she did not get any money back as it was to late to replace her.

I guess it all boils down to the way things are handled and why they are leaving. After-all, this is supposed to be about the kids and not the egos of the coaches or organization leaders.
 
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After only dealing with this for a short time I can honestly say on our team we have had very minor issues on this subject. Everything has worked itself out, so far.

We started preaching to the team how well we could be as a team if we commit to each other, as a team. Our girls are young. We feel that we have a lot of room to build with the core we have. In theory, we could keep every girl and not need any players at tryouts due to dates of birth alone. That also being said, things change. I can hope that we stay together and grow to be a strong team when we reach the older ages.

My commitment to our girls is to build them as a team, keep them together as long as we physically can and hopefully when they have the chance they can walk right onto their high school team. Once that is accomplished my next goal will be to give every single girl the best opportunity to move on in softball no matter where it is.

That is a little something we try and talk about with our parents. We are always up front and so far, it seems to work.
 
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Actually, a team does own a girl once she has signed an ASA roster (I would assume the same for USSSA, NSA, etc.) for that calendar year.

It has always been my strong belief that a commitment should stay a commitment from the team and from the player until tryouts begin anew in August. This is assuming the team has substantially fulfilled its promises to the player and vice versa. If a team says it will play two fall showcases and Rising Stars in January and ends up doing none of the above, then the player is ethically free to bolt. Or if the team says it will practice once a week in September through January and doesn't come close to doing so, the player is free to bolt.

But a player leaving a team simply because a better team has come along with an offer is just plain wrong, in my opinion. I would assume that player expects her team to commit to her for the year and not cut her in February if a better player comes along. If she does expect that, then she should live up to her end of the bargain as well.

The model I describe seems to be disappearing more each year. I don't know how it's going in Ohio the last couple of years, but most of the top organizations out here in the Pacific NW just recruit other teams' players all year long. I haven't recruited any girls who have jumped teams in the middle of a year, but if I am recruiting one, I will take a close look into the reasons why she jumped ship. If it is only because she could move to a better team to "better herself," I'm backing off at that point, as in my book she has just "worsened herself" when it comes to character. She might be a great player who would add wins for us, but I don't want to deal with that type of lack of character for four years.
 
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It is never ok for a coach to approach another team's players/family once that girl has committed to a team. To me, this shows a total lack of integrity and ethics.

As for a girl leaving/jumping ship, there can be numerous reasons, but the break should be made before any contact with another team. A good coach with integrity will make sure that the break has occured before offering a try-out to a girl that is leaving a team. But beware, there are consequences.....

As JoeA has already mentioned the character issue, college coaches notice, and question if a girl has had numerous teams during her travel career.
 
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Joe A has it right about it being a two way street. Loyalty from the player and her family is repaid by integrity from the coach. Promises made in the fall need to be honored in June by both sides.
 
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There are two questions posed here ... the first being whether it is alright for another coach to approach a player after knowing they have made a commitment to another team and, in my opinion, the answer to that is unequivocally "NO". I personally don't have an issue with a coach inviting a player/family during a summer tournament to come and try out with them come August, though I understand why some coaches might have a problem with this.

As far as there needing to be a 2-way commitment between player/family and coach, I agree with Doug and Joe and most of the others on this. I guess this can get a little gray at times if a player/family feel like they are playing less or at different positions than they were led to believe when they tried out and accepted a roster spot. It definitely is critical that a coach be upfront and honest about this, as it will only come back to haunt them later. If a girl just decides to move on to play with friends or because they have been promised greener pastures, then I agree with Doug that they should get no money back if it's too late (e.g., uniforms ordered, etc.), and I personally would be leery of ever taking anyone who has done this, just as I am in hiring people at work who has had a new job every year.
 
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Having been around for a day or two and being this is my DD last year being able to play 18's like to put my 2 cents in.......I have only knowingly been affected by "poaching" once.....ultimately the young lady was wooed to the other side so to speak and she is still a very dear friend to us to this day......do I think poaching once commited is okay.....not only no but hell no.......do I think it is okay for a player to up and leave once commited......I will say it is okay only after every attempt has been made to sit down with the coaches, discuss the concerns, and all remedies have been attempted for a resolution.....however I would ask....why did you go to that team in the first place? Why did you not do your homework to see if the team would be a fit.......now there is of course the dilemma of said team having to replace you during a period when most of the players have "commited" to respective teams...puts everyone in a tough situation.
 

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