So many teams...so few players.....

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Ten-fifteen years ago, you have 30 girls trying out for 2 teams. Now you have 2 girls trying to decide between 30 teams. I've never seen it so bad until this year. In southern Ohio, we are all but going on recruiting visits just to fill rosters. Maybe we need to merge and start making divisions in each program. Such as an A team being the best players, B being second tier, etc. Just food for thought. Anyone else seem to notice there are way too many team and very few players these days?!
 
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I think that's partially correct, I think their are more teams that aren't household names yet. Considering how many teams each of these organizations have Lasers, Stingrays, Buckeye heat, Wizards, Hawks, Static etc., very rarely do you see one of their teams looking for more then 1 player. Most of the time that 1 player isn't needed to allow them to compete, it's more of a I'm going to carry 11 play in some tournaments and see what potential team needs are.

I think I see a lot more of 1st year teams looking, with players having so many more options then they did 5 or 6 years ago they tend to migrate to the bigger organizations.

That's just IMO
 
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I know there are quite a few 14u's still looking for players....I stopped counting after 22 :rolleyes:
 
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yup, i fit a large part of the description above. 2nd year team, 1-team organization, and a community team that's trying to compete on a high level...so they deck is highly stacked against us.

i've been looking for 1, now 2, for months now and have gotten zero. i'm too a point now where i have to start considering lower skilled players just to put a team on the field.

just look at the 'team looking to fill rosters' board vs. the 'players looking for a team' board. it's not even close.
 
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witt, i think your idea above is a great one (alignment). the trouble would be getting everyone to agree on how to do it. this would help eliminate the amount of daddy-ball that goes on because they would probably be the ones left out in the cold. probably a great thing, but would cause much trouble.
 
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It appears that a majority of the teams are looking for a "#1 pitcher" and/or a "#1 catcher".

A.) #1 pitchers and catchers are already on a team.

B.) You're a coach - make your players better, instead of poaching others.

and C.) Shouldn't there be a rule that says you can't start a new team without having a #1 pitcher and catcher already secured?

Just sayin'...
 
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Witt, not sure how it would go over with parents telling them that there little susie belongs on the B team.

Not sure "regulation" is the answer either....pretty sure the market will take care of itself...new teams pop up, new teams go away, etc .

I agree there are alot of teams out there but i think within these teams/organizations most of us know which teams/organizations will put together the competitive teams and these teams dont need to advertise for that 12th player....

then you have the middle of the pack teams that might be looking for a player because they didn't fill that 11th slot in August because we all know, Feb-May is the time when parents take a hard look at the current situation and see if that is what they want for the next six months (or they loose a player due to other commitments or a player moves to an elite team)

then there are the other teams that are a blend of rec/travel ball teams which tend to be looking for players too
 
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The ISST (Indiana PA) Sponsored by IUP is planning on setting an A bracket and a B bracket for pool play in 16U and 18U divisions. This will allow all the teams to play much more competitive games. Currently every team is playing in the A bracket unless they request the B bracket. This is a test, this is only a test. We had a few very lopsided scores where some very experienced highly, competitive teams blew-out first year/younger teams last year. Neither team had much fun.

We thought if we could separate them into these two groups for pool play that everyone would have a better tournament. Jury is out.
 
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The ISST (Indiana PA) Sponsored by IUP is planning on setting an A bracket and a B bracket for pool play in 16U and 18U divisions. This will allow all the teams to play much more competitive games. Currently every team is playing in the A bracket unless they request the B bracket. This is a test, this is only a test. We had a few very lopsided scores where some very experienced highly, competitive teams blew-out first year/younger teams last year. Neither team had much fun.

We thought if we could separate them into these two groups for pool play that everyone would have a better tournament. Jury is out.

This is going to require adults to check their ego. Adults don't like to lose to little kids. The players generally understand it, it's mom and dad.
 
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great posts......ya....I'll be honest, my 18U team has 2 strong pitchers and 2 catchers and we are still looking for 1-2. When I post in the forum that I'm looking for a player, I can go back 2 hours later, and my post is on page 4 lol. 6 hours later and youre half way through an encyclopedia. I guess my thoughts are this. The larger org. that are established such as stingrays, Buckeye Heat, Lasers, MV Express, Cincy doom/ magic/ etc. Be the front runners in that geographic area. The ma and pa teams with 2 great players, and 9 average go under those umbrellas. They get evaluated but also asked what are their expectations. Maybe some just want to run a few local things. I would try them out and put together that strongest players on tier A, and then sort down. Yes, some feelings may get hurt but I don't see much of an alternative except what we have going on now. In other sports, like j.o. volleyball, don't they evaluate you and sort you by ability? Any ideas?
 
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Ten-fifteen years ago, you have 30 girls trying out for 2 teams. Now you have 2 girls trying to decide between 30 teams. I've never seen it so bad until this year. In southern Ohio, we are all but going on recruiting visits just to fill rosters. Maybe we need to merge and start making divisions in each program. Such as an A team being the best players, B being second tier, etc. Just food for thought. Anyone else seem to notice there are way too many team and very few players these days?!

I'm not sure what you mean as far as divisions in programs? Help an old soul out here.

If you are referring to divisions of like-age teams within noted organizations, I believe we have already seen that happening. I'm sure parents will argue the fact, perhaps because the selection process wasn't perceived in that manner. Most of the families that would be participating on a team with a little less talent overall would not want to be referred to as second tier. I believe it's human nature for a family to have higher expectations when they decide against participating in a cheaper cost recreation program compared to a travel team organization that demands more of their time and money.

If they were told at tryouts the girls would be segregated by talent with the best being placed with "Coach Allthat" and the rest would be placed with instructional coaches to help them improve their skills, many would walk if they didn't get selected for the "Allthat" team.

I'm not speaking for any of the iconic programs, but I am aware of organizations and their practices behind the scenes. Like-age teams normally have a selection process where a certain coaching staff would get first pick during tryouts. The rest take their turn. They don?t mean to hurt anyone and normally provide quality coaching for all teams involved. The problem is getting the families to understand and buy into the concept.

First of all; I believe the intent is great and serves a huge purpose. If handled correctly, this is similar to a feeder program much like MLB. Teams that have less-skilled players could expect the player fees to be lower because they probably should expect to play in tourneys closer to home. If the organization's Gold Team is plagued with injury or the same, they could call up a player or 2 from the other teams to fill empty uniforms. This keeps the "Allthat" team firing on all cylinders while giving hope to the players from lower tier teams? incentive to improve and play hard.

Only those families that are realists will understand and be team players. I mention the families instead of the players because I feel many of the issues come from the parents. The players will normally get their attitude from the support network at home. This helps with the mindset of expectations. If the families would keep it real, I believe everyone would benefit from the experience.

Too many teams for the number of players available? Perhaps, but I feel there will be an adjustment and things will again settle in. There were plenty of girls 15 years ago that wanted to play travel ball but back then, there weren?t enough pitchers to go around. This game has changed so much in terms of popularity and level of skill, it only makes sense to expect more players wanting to get in on the action. Regardless of the issues, I believe it?s a good thing and good for the sport. Now if we could only get Rec programs to expand to adult fastpitch leagues so girls would have a chance to play after they complete school ball and have entered the working class field.
 
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Geez, by the time I wrote my response you guys said everything I wanted to and this thread went to a second page. Sorry for being redundant. lol.
 
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It appears that a majority of the teams are looking for a "#1 pitcher" and/or a "#1 catcher".

A.) #1 pitchers and catchers are already on a team.

B.) You're a coach - make your players better, instead of poaching others.

and C.) Shouldn't there be a rule that says you can't start a new team without having a #1 pitcher and catcher already secured?

Just sayin'...

Louuuu, I so much agree with you, especially "B". I could bore you all to death all day long telling you stories of how players can and have been developed. We need not to just look at how good they are now, but how athletic they are and how much do they want to be that quality player and how hard will she work to obtain it.
 
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Divisions would never work, people's opinions vary too much on what is A, B, and C level talent.
 
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Divisions would never work, people's opinions vary too much on what is A, B, and C level talent.

I respectfully disagree..... we have 20 teams, Elite, Gold and "Standard" teams. We even have a "Soon to be Gold" self named team. There are different goals for each division. The Elite teams look to play in the best tournaments around. The Gold teams will play a mixture of best tournaments and some local competitive tournaments. The standard teams play mainly local (within an hour) and occasionally an out of town tournament. This works for us since there is a local tournament or two every weekend starting in mid-May until the end of July.

It is rare when we lose a player to an other organization because she made a lower level team in our program.... of course it does help that all of our team are continuing to improve at all levels.

Again, it is working for us.... can't say it will work for everyone.
 
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Divisions would never work, people's opinions vary too much on what is A, B, and C level talent.

A few examples of sports that try this: Growing up I played travel hockey, they had "A" "AA" and "AAA". You could play whatever you wanted as a team but once sanctioned as such you could move up but not down. Nobody wanted to take a trip to play "AAA" silver sticks in Canada if your going to get crushed. That system seemed to work.

Volleyball runs pool play just like softball then reseeds into Gold, Silver and at bigger tourneys Bronze. The top teams play each other, the middle of the road play each other and the inexperienced. I've found the kids really want to make the gold tourney.

I know a few softball tourneys do something similar, I think we might to come up with our own system which might mean more "Goverment" lol, an Ohio travel softball governing body. I'm not sure what they do outside of organizing our teams, overseeing behavior, TD directors and umps. Maybe they could prevent a uniform blowout problem.
 
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A few examples of sports that try this: Growing up I played travel hockey, they had "A" "AA" and "AAA". You could play whatever you wanted as a team but once sanctioned as such you could move up but not down. Nobody wanted to take a trip to play "AAA" silver sticks in Canada if your going to get crushed. That system seemed to work.

Volleyball runs pool play just like softball then reseeds into Gold, Silver and at bigger tourneys Bronze. The top teams play each other, the middle of the road play each other and the inexperienced. I've found the kids really want to make the gold tourney.

I know a few softball tourneys do something similar, I think we might to come up with our own system which might mean more "Goverment" lol, an Ohio travel softball governing body. I'm not sure what they do outside of organizing our teams, overseeing behavior, TD directors and umps. Maybe they could prevent a uniform blowout problem.


NSA and ISA down here do the same in pool play and you should see the in depth planning by parents and coaches to see how they can get into the "B" division. Then teams rush to the message boards proclaiming CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!
 
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