So many teams...so few players.....

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NSA and ISA down here do the same in pool play and you should see the in depth planning by parents and coaches to see how they can get into the "B" division. Then teams rush to the message boards proclaiming CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

I have no doubts, I figure there will be a large portion of parents and coaches doing that. It's really to bad... Everybody gets a trophy! Lol

 

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Making it work with 1 organization is one thing, instituting it statewide is another.

Who decides what tier a player is assigned? I wouldn't want someone who knows nothing about our team telling us we can't have a certain player because she is too skilled for our team. That keeps development of the players and teams at a minimum. If you have a team that cannot compete, they eventually fade out...survival of the fittest.

Let the girls decide who they want to play for and what kind of ball they want to play. Some stud players do not want to play a heavy load and prefer the less committed teams...do they not get to play because their skill level puts them with the higher level commitment teams? We have enough rules and regulations, another governing body is the last thing we need.

If you are a good coach who keeps everyone in the loop, your team plays good ball (win or lose), your players learn and improve, and you challenge your team every year, then you will have players that want to play for you and you will fill your team. Word of mouth is everything at tryout time and if you want the players to show up, then you have to put the time in during the year. Are the players not showing up because there are too many teams or because your team isn't getting it done on the field and may not be as strong as you are advertising?

 

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NSA and ISA down here do the same in pool play and you should see the in depth planning by parents and coaches to see how they can get into the "B" division. Then teams rush to the message boards proclaiming CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

This reminds me of something and why I think most of this is parent ego driven. My oldest and Middle DD are 9 years apart. My middle DD made a really loaded 10u team as an 8 year old. Skill wise she had no business to be on the team, but they picked her up to be a rabbit. They asked to be assistant coach and didn't charge me for her to play. I figured what the heck. She was half the size of everybody else. This one weekend they steam rolled a team by a score I really wasn't comfortable with, all she got to do was courtesy run that game. The other team gave her the game MVP ribbon. We are driving home and I ask her if she wants to call her sister who was out of the state playing and tell her about the game MVP Ribbon. At 8 she says and tell her what? I got the game MVP ribbon for being a courtesy runner? No I don't want to tell her.

I really don't think you can fool these kids. I know the other team was ticked at the score and I think the coach meant well but she was a bit insulated.

 

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Making it work with 1 organization is one thing, instituting it statewide is another.

Who decides what tier a player is assigned? I wouldn't want someone who knows nothing about our team telling us we can't have a certain player because she is too skilled for our team. That keeps development of the players and teams at a minimum. If you have a team that cannot compete, they eventually fade out...survival of the fittest.

Let the girls decide who they want to play for and what kind of ball they want to play. Some stud players do not want to play a heavy load and prefer the less committed teams...do they not get to play because their skill level puts them with the higher level commitment teams? We have enough rules and regulations, another governing body is the last thing we need.

If you are a good coach who keeps everyone in the loop, your team plays good ball (win or lose), your players learn and improve, and you challenge your team every year, then you will have players that want to play for you and you will fill your team. Word of mouth is everything at tryout time and if you want the players to show up, then you have to put the time in during the year. Are the players not showing up because there are too many teams or because your team isn't getting it done on the field and may not be as strong as you are advertising?

You decide. If you sanction as "A" your playing all year, you can't drop down. If your unsure you sanction B or C and can always move up. But you can't drop down.

 

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Just to add my two cents which will mean absolutely nothing to the professionals on here, but I like the idea of divisions. Not to say that a team can't play up, but it's nice to have a game that's not 20-0. That's no fun for anyone. So the question is how to make an educated determination of who should be in each level. My DD has played on one of those elite organizations and they were, well to keep it nice. They were bad. She has also in the past played on a community travel team that gave these elite teams all they could handle. I have always thought that what ever sanctioned tournament that you played in i.e. ASA, NSA and so on. Those stats from each game must be turned in and by doing this a teams profile would be better determined, as well as for each player. I realize there are those who don't wish to have their DD stats public. As I said, just my two cents.

 

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Making it work with 1 organization is one thing, instituting it statewide is another.

Who decides what tier a player is assigned? I wouldn't want someone who knows nothing about our team telling us we can't have a certain player because she is too skilled for our team. That keeps development of the players and teams at a minimum. If you have a team that cannot compete, they eventually fade out...survival of the fittest.

Let the girls decide who they want to play for and what kind of ball they want to play. Some stud players do not want to play a heavy load and prefer the less committed teams...do they not get to play because their skill level puts them with the higher level commitment teams? We have enough rules and regulations, another governing body is the last thing we need.

If you are a good coach who keeps everyone in the loop, your team plays good ball (win or lose), your players learn and improve, and you challenge your team every year, then you will have players that want to play for you and you will fill your team. Word of mouth is everything at tryout time and if you want the players to show up, then you have to put the time in during the year. Are the players not showing up because there are too many teams or because your team isn't getting it done on the field and may not be as strong as you are advertising?

Just to clarify... we do have players who do not want to play on the Elite teams because of the extra tournaments and the cost of out of town tournaments. No problem. Obviously, no one can force someone to play on a team that they don't want to play on. Again, obviously a girl is not going to decide to play on an Elite team if a coach does not think she is an Elite player.
Another clarification, "Elite" is not just a name, it is how a team plays. Just because a team calls themselves Elite, does not make them an Elite team.

 

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is u-trip's points system the answer to that? i have no idea, when i get on their site, teams get points for winning (no clue how it's structured).

one downfall is it would have to reset at zero for each new season due to attrition, et al.

 

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I have an easier solution than forming a whole new sanctioning body to monitor the player talent levels. Why don't the coaches just choose appropriate tournaments, than there won't be any blow outs. If you are seeing 20-0 games, than the coach should be shouldering the blame for putting their team in the wrong tournament.

 

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Just to add my two cents which will mean absolutely nothing to the professionals on here.

:lmao::lmao:

We're all experts here. As soon as you make three posts. Congratulations, you're now one of us.

 

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I have an easier solution than forming a whole new sanctioning body to monitor the player talent levels. Why don't the coaches just choose appropriate tournaments,

Because more then not, they just don't know how. They pick the ones with the cool names....:lmao:

 

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I have an easier solution than forming a whole new sanctioning body to monitor the player talent levels. Why don't the coaches just choose appropriate tournaments, than there won't be any blow outs. If you are seeing 20-0 games, than the coach should be shouldering the blame for putting their team in the wrong tournament.

Yea - what he said.

 

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I have an easier solution than forming a whole new sanctioning body to monitor the player talent levels. Why don't the coaches just choose appropriate tournaments, than there won't be any blow outs. If you are seeing 20-0 games, than the coach should be shouldering the blame for putting their team in the wrong tournament.

Well, it's not always your own coach's fault when you lose 0-20... it's that trophy hunting idiot coach that put his team in the wrong tournament!!!!

 

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Or we could leave everything the way it is and let everything sort itself out.

Ta-da! Now we have less to gossip about so some people would have to find another topic.

 

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if I started over... no way I'd go into a creating a new team unless my DD played on it... She's the greatest!!! :lmao:

Wizards... I like what you are doing with placing the girls in situations that they can grow and even take a shot at the next level within the same family. Nice model!

Question, can a player "trade-up" teams if sanctioning issues and player team count aren't in the way or do they have to wait till the next season? Knowing how most teams have to operate, my guess is see you at next year's tryouts. Curious as to how you handle this progression you guys have within your culture.

 

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if I started over... no way I'd go into a creating a new team unless my DD played on it... She's the greatest!!! :lmao:

Wizards... I like what you are doing with placing the girls in situations that they can grow and even take a shot at the next level within the same family. Nice model!

Question, can a player "trade-up" teams if sanctioning issues and player team count aren't in the way or do they have to wait till the next season? Knowing how most teams have to operate, my guess is see you at next year's tryouts. Curious as to how you handle this progression you guys have within your culture.

That's a tricky question..... we have had girls move up or down within our own organization usually because it is best for the player. We try to do this within the first month or two after tryouts. It is a difficult situation if a player is not living up to the standards of her present team. Sometimes we sit down with the parents and talk about playing time and her role on the team. If playing time is going to be a factor for them, we sometimes recommend that she goes to a lower team in order to get more innings. Sometimes the player and the team just doesn't click and the girl wants to move to a different team. Obviously this has to be handled carefully when a girl changes teams and is not something that happens often nor impulsively. We make every effort to keep a good line of communication open.
I want to emphasize that this rarely happens so there is not a big movement of players after the teams are put together.

 

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Great posts...I guess I was just thinking outside the box as they say as to how and fix a problem that evidently, many,many teams are having, they can't fill rosters. Long story short, when I played little league, 50 boys showed up. All the dads stood around and the coaches together spread the talent out to make fair teams. In hot stove, we tried out for the A division. If we were good enough, we were put on an A team while others on a B. In summer legion baseball, I tried out for my high schools summer team and made it. Not all of us did. In Australia, they have team fastpitch programs such as lasers, Hawks, Doom etc based geographically. You try out, they sort you A,B,C player with A being the best. If an program runs out of girls, you stop forming teams. I know I don't have all the answers, just trying to come up with some ideas we cann all use soon!