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I need an honest opinion here. ?How many HS/ travel ?coaches record stolen bases on passed balls or wild pitches? ?I am only in my second year and want to be fair to my players when tabulating statistics to be compared to players from other teams. ?Last year I didn't and found my players near the end of the stats in the conference at the end of the season, when I knew a few of my girls were better than the opponents in this area.
 
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I think you have to be true to the rules of the game. Scoring on a passed ball or a wild pitch is scoring on an error, it is not a stolen base.

Some teams inflate statistics in every area. What are recorded as hits for their offense are recorded as errors when they are on defense, resulting in high batting averages and low ERAs.

Score the game correctly and explain to your girls that's what you are doing even though other teams may fudge significantly.
 
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There is also a thing called indifference. This would be when a runner is on third and runner on first. Runner on first goes to second after the pitch is released. The catcher does not even make an attempt to throw the runner from first out. Not a stolen base.
 
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Wilz,

A stolen bases is just that. A stolen base. It's not because the ball went to the back stop and the runner advanced.
cgs said it well when he said "you have to be true to the rules of the game."
 
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Do you credit a stolen base when the runner takes off on the release and the ball goes to the backstop???
 
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I have had parents, players and coaches get upset with me with my stat record for the girls (offensively and defensively) I believe in "do it by the book". No point in patty the stats to make them feel like "superstars", leave that to rec league. Give them the honest truth and make them strive for more and work harder to improve or reach their goal.
 
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cgs has it right. Those aren't stolen bases....show them as wild pitches or passed balls.
 
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My team will not "give" any player a base. The old...runner on third, steal second isn't a given. We'll take the shot and if the runner goes, we'll make the cut and get the out at home. If runner at third hesitates for a second, we'll let it go thru and get the runner going to second and then back to home. Practice this until we are sick of practicing it. The "indifference" thing won't fly with my catchers. we'll take the chances and if you get it....good for you chalk it up as a stolen base.
 
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There was a high school team in Miami County that had 3 or 4 girls with more than 30 stolen bases. Give me a break, our whole team didn't have 30 stolen bases...
 
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sbreader several players on one team with 30 stolen bases is a lot. in the gmc for 2005 the player with the most stolen bases only had 9. the high for hits was only 29. it sounds like the stolen base rule is not being applied as intended. this can also be the result of poor pitching. you have to get on base to steal a base. the two top pitchers in the gmc had 418 k's in 226 innings, a lot of batters did not become base runners and therefore did not steal a base. this is before you even bring the catcher into the equation. yes wave i want my daughter to play for you too.
 
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From the ATEC scoring guide

Credit a stolen base to a runner who advances a base unaided by a safe hit,
putout, error, force out, fielder's choice, illegal pitch, base on balls, hit batter, wild
pitch, passed ball, interference or obstruction.
a - If the runner starts for the next base on the release of the pitch
and the pitch results in what would otherwise be scored as a wild
pitch or passed bail, credit her with a stolen base (if she gets a
second base because of the wild pitch or passed bail score only the
initial base as stolen).
b - When any runner is thrown out on an attempted double or triple
steal, no runner will be credited with a stolen base.
1) On a double steal attempt in a first and third situation
where an unsuccessful but legitimate effort is made to
put out the runner stealing second base, credit a stolen
base even if the runner on third is thrown out at home
on a continuous play.
2) In a first and third double steal credit the runner
advancing to second with a fielder's choice if the initial
throw is to anywhere but second base.
3) In the first and third double steal, credit the runner
advancing to second base with a stolen base if no throw
is made (unless indifference because of a lopsided
score was the cause of no defensive action), even if the
advance was made immediately after rounding on a
walk,
4) On double or triple steal attempts, if a runner is
successful when played upon, all others who advance
are also scored as having successfully stolen a base.
c - A stolen base is credited even if a wild throw would have resulted
in a sure putout, had it not been wild. No error is charged unless
another base is gained because of the throw.
d - if a runner who is attempting to steal, or who has been picked off
a base. gets caught in a rundown and makes it safely to the next
base without a defensive error, credit a stolen base only if the next
base was unoccupied. If a succeeding runner advances, regardless
of which base the lead runner ends on, credit her also with a stolen
base or stolen bases.
e - If a runner is awarded a base during an attempted steal because
of obstruction, no "caught stealing" should be charged, and a stolen
base should be credited.
f - If a runner advances to a base because of a pick play on another
runner, only score a stolen base If you are sure she broke for the
next base prior to the release of the catcher's throw.
g - Do not credit a stolen base to a runner who advances because of
defensive indifference; score a fielder's choice. (See noted exception
for first and third situation above).
 
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lewred,

Thanks for the post. In reading the scoring guidelines, I'm wondering if there is a little bit of a contradiction with b) #2 & #3. In first and third situation (close game) and runner on first goes to second, if catcher holds the ball or just returns it to the pitcher (indifference) they get credit for a steal. However, if the catcher throws anywhere but to second (snap throw to third, 2b cutting behind the pitcher, etc.) the runner going to second doesn't get credit for a stolen base. Isn't the defense really indifferent with regard to the runner going to second in both cases?
 
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My thinking (which may not be right) is that if my runner goes to second on a double steal and the 2nd baseman makes the cut, it should still be credited as a stolen base because the 2nd baseman could just as easily let it go thru and taken the out at 2nd.
 

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