Pitching and Pitchers Discussion The secret to a rise ball

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And I will take a ground out over a DOUBLE from a 14u pitcher who THINKS they throw a rise ball.

you have strike out pitchers and you have pitch to contact pitchers.
I have coached both niether had a rise but a well place fast ball up works just fine.

Trust me on this, either a rise that doesn`t work or a drop that doesnt work can result in a hard hit ball. You dont get to pick which poorly thrown ball will result in a double.

DD was a strike out pitcher. Her philosophy was, the less times the defense had to make a play, the better. Riseballs, drop balls (except with a runner on 3rd) curves and changes are all effective strike out pitches. All poorly thrown are potential homers.

You better have a great defense behind a pitch to contact pitcher.
I like K`s because no contact (K) is better than a potential error. But that is just me.

 

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Trust me on this, either a rise that doesn`t work or a drop that doesnt work can result in a hard hit ball. You dont get to pick which poorly thrown ball will result in a double.

DD was a strike out pitcher. Her philosophy was, the less times the defense had to make a play, the better. Riseballs, drop balls (except with a runner on 3rd) curves and changes are all effective strike out pitches. All poorly thrown are potential homers.

You better have a great defense behind a pitch to contact pitcher.
I like K`s because no contact (K) is better than a potential error. But that is just me.

first off I have read your post and agree with most of your statements

this time you are just stating the obvious, who would not like to k every hitter.

your DD was an above avg pitcher to say the least (from the post)
What I was trying to say was I get tired of kids and parents saying that the DD throws a rise when the speed and spin is not there.

just work on hitting spots MASTER a drop and change up.
for a younger kid not fighting gravity will be much easier
and as the experts always say JMO

 

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Trust me on this, either a rise that doesn`t work or a drop that doesnt work can result in a hard hit ball. You dont get to pick which poorly thrown ball will result in a double.

DD was a strike out pitcher. Her philosophy was, the less times the defense had to make a play, the better. Riseballs, drop balls (except with a runner on 3rd) curves and changes are all effective strike out pitches. All poorly thrown are potential homers.

You better have a great defense behind a pitch to contact pitcher.
I like K`s because no contact (K) is better than a potential error. But that is just me.

I ,ll take a case of K,s for our next tournament, oh heck may as well throw in a half case of backward K,s just for good measure, just let me know the cost and I will be there tomorrow with cash in hand :lmao:

 

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i realize not all girls throw it well right off but takes practice caught my buddys 14u dd a month or so ago and it scared me ball appeared to jump everyone saying this is not possible what did i see she throws low 60 s maybe thats why it worked??

 

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http://www.pitchsoftball.com/RiseBallSecrets.html To make it jump you have to have speed.

 

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Whatever you want to call the rise, I agree the speed and spin have to be fairly high to make it work. My dd started getting results at 16U.

 

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http://www.pitchsoftball.com/RiseBallSecrets.html To make it jump you have to have speed.

And now we've come full circle.

Psst. Check out post #1

http://www.game-ex.com/vb3/showpost.php?p=242067&postcount=1

 

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Once a year we go thru this. Snow must have us all bored. Might as well post do you teach Rotational or Linear swing?

 

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Once a year we go thru this. Snow must have us all bored. Might as well post do you teach Rotational or Linear swing?

SB 95% of this board probably don't know the difference.....

 

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Come on guys, it's simply a case of when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

 

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I found it! NOW we can ALL see how a rise ball "rises", and then begin working hard on the "loop ball". But that one will take a few hours of practice with rubber bands...

http://www.planet-scicast.com/view_clip.cfm?cit_id=2677

 

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I found it! NOW we can ALL see how a rise ball "rises", and then begin working hard on the "loop ball". But that one will take a few hours of practice with rubber bands...

http://www.planet-scicast.com/view_clip.cfm?cit_id=2677

I know a couple 8 year olds and a 10 year old that was hitting high 50's last summer make the ball do that.....

 

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first off I have read your post and agree with most of your statements

this time you are just stating the obvious, who would not like to k every hitter.

your DD was an above avg pitcher to say the least (from the post)
What I was trying to say was I get tired of kids and parents saying that the DD throws a rise when the speed and spin is not there.

just work on hitting spots MASTER a drop and change up.
for a younger kid not fighting gravity will be much easier
and as the experts always say JMO

And I agree with what you are saying...There was a conservation here a while back about throwing a pitch before it was game ready. For the very reasons you talk about is why I feel a pitch should not be thrown in a game until it is game ready.
Some kids cant master a good enough drop, for other kids it is the rise that gives them trouble. Some kids throw a killer curve , while others cant seem to throw it.
While a true junk pitcher rarely throws a fast ball, (unless they are GREAT speed)if a kid can`t throw good junk then they HAVE to master placement of a good fast ball. Some kids are pretty successful in High school with a fast ball and a change. It probably wont get them to the next level at D1 but it does work pretty well in high school

 

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I ,ll take a case of K,s for our next tournament, oh heck may as well throw in a half case of backward K,s just for good measure, just let me know the cost and I will be there tomorrow with cash in hand :lmao:

Oh.........There is a price to pay for a lot of K`s. Tons of tunnel time, tons of lessons under a watchful eye of a good instructor, tons of busted daddy shins, tons of travel cash, tons of out of town meals, and tons of fun that would not be traded for anything.....

 

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Once a year we go thru this. Snow must have us all bored. Might as well post do you teach Rotational or Linear swing?

Let er rip lol