Umpiring at Troy Lady Liberty

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Heard that an umpire threw an entire team out of the tournament; fans; coaches; players; the whole shebang. Can anyone confirm this. I was told who the ump was and we have run into this guy before. He actually brags about how many people he has tossed this year. At one tournament he boasted he was up to 85 people this year. If this actually happened at Troy, this guy needs to go ASAP and should not be allowed to step onto the field again unless he has a rake and water hose in his hands. Any ump that tosses that many people IS the problem, not the coaches, fans or players, period. Was anybody a witness to what happened?
 
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We saw this umpire earlier this year in Greenville and he was just as big of a problem. I was told that he will never be back to umpire there again. I would hope that Troy and elsewhere around the Miami Valley would do the same. Let a guy like that stick to mens slo-pitch. They will know how to handle him.
 
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Its true he made them forfiet the game. He was a horses behind. I witnessed to gentleman watching a game and he yelled dont be talking about me( they did say something during a game). I pesonally overheard him say to other umps I will control greenville teams. No complaints on his calls, but a egotistic with alot of issues. Does look around to start something.
 
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We were there this weekend and did not see it. What age group did this happen in?
 
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well put nolefan1989. He does not like the Ohio Wave teams because they will not let him umpire at thier tournaments anymore.

He was Ok during most of the Ohio Wave games that I saw him umpire but he does have a huge habit of getting involved in everything that is going on around the diamond. In my opinion he is looking for something to have to control. A bad trait for an umpire.

LBA20 he was doing the 12U games for the most part.
 
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we were there watching 12 u and did not see it. It must not have been a big rutkis. Was this at the knoop fields? There was an issue in a quater finals 12 u game but no one had to forfiet it was a run rule
 
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Yikes! I'm a hundred miles from Troy and I can still smell the stench from this one! ?:(

I don't put up with much in the way of screaming coaches or out-of-control players and I have only two ejections (both well-earned) in my entire career!

If this guy is up to 85, whatever his personal problems might be I have to wonder about the oversight being provided by his local umpire association. If things were that bad, some Umpire-in-Chief or association official should have stepped in and had a good long talk with this guy years ago. I can't imagine a league official or association head in my area letting something like this slide.

This goes back to two of my top requirements for a good umpire- game management techniques and temperment.

An umpire can know the rules backwards in his sleep, pass a hundred different certification tests and attend a hundred more clinics, but that will not make him a good umpire.

Some people just have flat out crummy interpersonal skills. They walk onto the field with a chip on their shoulder, an ego that transends the game and a temperment that cannot handle pressure or adversity.

Generally, those types of personalities do not make very good umpires.
 
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Edamane there was a huge warning (threat) if any of us said anything at coin toss.
 
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It was pretty plain to see. It was on diamond #3 today I think the first tournament game. This umpire has ZERO tolerance and boasts about how many coaches fans etc, he has thrown out. He was looking for troule in that game and a fan said something about one of his calls. A fan mind you not a coach. This umpire told the coach that it was his responsibility and that he was gone. The coach asked why and then this umpire said thats it your team is out of here. Game over, tournament over, heres a copy of the home game.

If you had this guy do any of your games there, then you know what we are saying here. It was very obvious and he made no bones about who he let know.
 
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this happened at Knoops field D3 8:00 game between the Ohio Flyers and the Buckeye Bandits.
 
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I post a lot about "game management techniques" and this guy sounds like he could use lots of help in that area.

Issuing warnings at the pre-game plate conference IS NOT an example of good game management! Trained umpires are specifically told NOT to use this approach.

When an umpire starts with warnings before the game has even started, it puts the coaches in a defensive mode and establishes an adversarial atmosphere. That approach will usually cause more problems than it will solve.

Any warnings should be issued during the game and should only be issued in response to a specific violation or sportsmanship issue. If an issue crops up during the game that requires a warning, deal with that specific issue on an individual basis.

Blanket warnings can also backfire and serve to undermine an umpire's credibility. Once the warning has been issued, if something related to the warning comes up during the game the umpire has painted himself into a corner. If he does not act with an immediate ejection, no matter how minor the infraction, he has shown that his words are hollow.

Conversely, if he follows up on his pre-game warnings, he is now put in a position of making an ejection for some borderline offense that could probably be handled in a much calmer, reasonable manner. Either way, the umpire's credibility is going to go down, not up.

Generally, an umpire has NO authority over anything that happens outside the fences, or involving anyone who is not a participant in the game. Fans are out of the umpire's jurisdiction. Fans can yell anything they want and an umpire should ignore it. The only instance where an umpire should act on behavior from outside the fences is if the actions become threatening toward a game participant or create a perceived safety issue.

In those cases, the umpire would be within his rights to temporarily suspend the game, putting both teams in their dugouts until the problem can be dealt with by tournament directors or school officials. But an umpire has NO authority to eject a fan or punish a team for actions by a fan.

(Some local leagues will give an umpire authority to deal with abusive fans, but that is a different issue than tournament or high school softball. Local leagues will usually own or lease the fields and thus have a different level of responsibility in managing the facility and game environment. Those "special powers" will be something specifically written into the league rules and are not powers granted to an umpire in tournament or school play.)

"Game management techniques" are not something the average fan, player or coach is usually familiar with. But when an umpire is lacking in this area, the results quickly become obvious. The game delays, arguments and ejections stemming from poor game management can turn a fun day at the ballpark into a painful experience for all involved.

An umpire needs to check his ego at the door before stepping onto the field, develop a thick skin to criticism, ignore comments from the stands, should not go looking for trouble and be able to handle tough situations without escalating them into an even bigger confrontation.
 
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CFW, I heard he tossed the the whole Buckeye Bandits "organization" (players, coaches, parents, grandparents, bat girls, everybody), I just didn't want to mention the name since I am not involved with either organization. I did hear there was some minor ruckuss but nothing that would warrant a team ejection from the tournament or even a single ejection for that matter. This is coming from non-biased witnesses who were also not associated with either team. This was a case of the umpire actively looking for trouble. The sad thing is, I bet he bragging to his buddies today about what he done. He must not allowed to ump again. We've played the Bandits before and I can't believe they would do something that would warrant that punishment.
 
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we had the fans thrown out of a school ball game before (not that everyone left, just a few of the dads...dads getting irate at softball games, I know you havent heard that one before, right?) and at Pickerington, which incidentally, had a pretty crummy officiating crew, the home ump held up the "stop-in-the-name-of-love" hand and the fans lowered their riot gear and went back to eating their hot dogs and clapping....

but if Ringer was somehow involved, I'm surprised the person manning the grill wasn't tossed!
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Whoa!!! Back-up the bus statman. I was on another field when this all went down, but rest assured if I was involved, there would have been a lot of hungry people that day :).
 
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bretman some of your ideas would save this guy a ton of grief that is for sure. I can tell you about our situation before the start of our first game and it will shed some light on this fellow.

As the coach of the Bandits and I approached the umpires at homeplate for the first game of the day this umpire (who was preparing to do the plate) set off into a tangent about how he has a ZERO tolerance policy for anything being said. He went on to say that any "moans, groans, sighs, or audible noise" in reference to any of his calls would be grounds for immediate ejection. "No ifs, ands or buts". Those were his words exactly. At this point the other coach and myself were just looking at eachother wondering if this guy was for real or just trying to get our goat. I can assure you he made it very clear that he was totally serious. It was then that he told us that "if any of our parents, fans, or players made any comments whatsoever about his calls that they would be sent out of the park along with the head coach of the team". This is no exaggeration, he made it crystal clear. He ended his little introduction/ talk with the comment that "he has thrown out over 80 coaches and fans so far this season and a few more will not be a big deal to him. It is his game and he wil maintain control of it". At this point there was really nothing that me or the other coach could add so we shook hands with eachother and headed back to our respect benches hoping that none of our parents, fans, players or any passer by made any moans, groans, sighes, or audible noise during the course of him calling his game. Otherwise we would be watching from our vehicles.

Now having said that, we had no other trouble with him during the game. His calls were OK in that game and fourtunately both coaches, and all of our fans and players were able to remain and watch him call his game.

At the end of the day this guys biggest problem is that he really thinks that the teams and thier fans are there to watch him call his game. He has a hard time beliveing that they came just to watch thier kids play a game. He has to Be The Game. This is a dangerous situation for a umpire. He spends way too much time with his head outside the fence line instead of on the dirt where the game is taking place.

I was there at the game that he made the team forfiet and I can etll you it absolutely did not have to go down that way. He was the field umpire and he made a poor call on a tag at second base. He blew the call because he was behind the play instead of in front of or at the play. Two fans of the Bandits were sitting down the line in right field about half way between 1st base and the outfield fence. A good 100 feet off the field. They said something like "are you kidding me" It was really nothing more then you hear twn times a game from either side, and it definately was nothing that bad. This umpire came right over to the fence and told the guys that they had to go. The coach intertercepted him and was not doing anything out of the ordinary. Not sure exactly what was sai but there was no yelling, just the umpire called the game a forfiet. It was like the 2nd inning or 3rd inning at best. He then walked off the field and engaged most of the Bandits fan base with his explaination about how he will not be questioned.


I saw it mentioned earlier by a poster that this umpire also worked the Greenville tournament a few weeks ago, and that he will not be invited back. As the person who writes the checks I can assure you that he will not be back. Our UIC has already made that decision as well. In a game that he did at our tournament a fan behind the backstop made a comment about a called ball or strike. Again not all that abnormal on any given weekend. He stopped the game, turned around and scoulded every person sitting on the bleachers behind home plate (about 40 people) that if he hears one more word, that they would all be removed from the ballpark. Again a case of rabbit ears, and he has to learn to keep his attention on the field and his part in it. Until he does that I am sure we will not be seeing him do too many more games in the Miami Valley. He is not worth the trouble for the TD or the UIC.
 
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Is this the umpire everyone calls chachi or stinky? Just being curious. I actually started liking this fool.
 
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I'm not sure what everyone calls him.....But I know what I call him. ;D
 
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