Whats the correct call here?

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From the Darby/ Elyria game yesterday. Looking at what I caught on the video last night, The ball came off the bat, instantly to pitchers face, batter two steps from home plate, home ump in front of plate with hands up calling immediate time as he is rushing to the mound, How does the runner get second?? That changed complexion of the game and would have allowed possibly only one run instead of two as the runner moved on a wild pitch, the next batter hit one to the shortstop who dove and stopped ball, technically would have held her at second assuming she stayed at first at the injury and got second on W.P. Then the intentional walk and another walk, which brought in runner that should not have made it to second if time was called, in which it clearly was.

One run still would have come in, but 1-0 is different mentality than 2-0

What is the true call in a an injury of this nature as she was clearly two steps from the plate?

 

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I am not looking up any rules here just going with what appears from the above description. If the ump trully called timeand no runner had reached the next base i would think time would indicate deadball and all runners would return to base and continue at bat.

What I think should've happened as heartless as the game is if the player is no longer in peril play should continue till the defense stops the play IMO.

PS How is the player ?

 

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There was no runner on and I edited the top to say batter vs. runner...

I believe she had it checked and thankfully not broken, looks like 15 rds with Muhamad Ali though....

yeah, just curious... also as a coach what would you do? Stop her at first or say keep going?

 

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Generally, the umpire should not call time in these situations unless they feel the injury is significant enough to require immediate attention. The play should be allowed to run to a stopping point, then time would be called.

If the umpire stops play, then one of their responsibilities would be to place runners on bases that "would have been earned," in the umpire's opinion.

On a hit like that, an award of first base would seem to be warranted. An infielder would have most likely recovered the ball and prevented the batter-runner from advancing further than first base.

An award of second base would have only been appropriate if the ball bounced somewhere that would have made it difficult for a fielder to recover, such as toward the dugouts or into the outfield (with fielders playing deep).

 

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sideliner is right. You don't call time there unless it is absolutely critical to her health. If you accidentally call time, then it sounds like first base should have been awarded. At the very least, invoke what some call the God rule and do what makes sense when an ump puts one team at a disadvantage, and that sounds here like it would be put the batter/runner at first. Not sure how they could give her second unless the ball bounded out of play.

 

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Bretman made a post on this rule last week. JoeA1010 is 100% correct. We had this happen to us in Expressway Park and the umpire gave the runner on third home and our pitcher took the line drive. He blew it big time by calling time. She got up and was able to pitch. The line drive came right back to our catcher and no way could the runner have scored.

 

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The ball did make it to center and was thrown in after that.... One of those you just go Holy $%^& on..... I was just curious on the immediate response and time call.


Hope I never see anything like that again She was soooo lucky on it as it never touched the glove and she is a phenominal fielder and Showed how hard it was nailed I didn't want to look when she got up thinking it was worse with fractures and stuff.....

 

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I just read the Dispatch and Coach Moody indicated he came onto the field while it was still a live ball. That changes things. I would have to look up that rule in NFHS, but at that point, the offense is getting every benefit of the doubt in my book. I'm not saying Kevin did anything wrong, as I'm sure he reacted like many coaches would have, but I think the umpire still has to give the offense the bases he thought they would reach, giving any benefit of the doubt to the non-offending team, similar to an obstruction call.

Or maybe there is some rule saying a runner gets two bases on a defensive coach's interference, I'm not sure.

 

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He got out there faster than one would think...

 

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On a head shot to the pitcher, I'm probably going to kill the play. It might be killing it too quickly, but this is one case where I would err to the side of safety.

Here is the high school rule that applies:

Rule 5-2-1d: "Time" shall be called by the umpire and play suspended...when an umpire or player is incapacitated, unless injury occurs during a live ball, then time shall not be called until no further advance or putout is possible. NOTE: If necessary, the umpire may suspend play immediately if, in the umpire's judgment, further play may cause injury or jeopardize a participant's safety.

This is kind of a strange rule as it is written. Basically, the first part says "time" shall be called unless the ball is live. When else would an umpire call "time"- when the ball is already dead?

But the rule book is full of editorial gaffes and goofs like that. The bottom line is that if the umpire thinks an injury may need immediate attention, he may call "time" immediately.

The fix is to place the batter and the runners at whichever base the umpire judges they would have reached had time not been prematurely called. That can get kind of tricky, so calling "time" when it's not necessary should be avoided at all costs. On this one, I would say it was probably warranted.

As far as the coach coming onto the field, that could potentially be a case where interference might be called. But the coach's presence on the field alone is not automatically interference. It doesn't become interference until he actually interferes with something- a play, a runner, the ball, etc.

 

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can we say gameface???

 

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Any of my players take a headshot that puts them on the ground, don't get in my way, game be darned. It's everything a parent can do to sit in the stands and not immediately react so I'm attending to the player at this point, not the game. That's the responsibility I'm charged with. I'll let the umpires straighten it out and abide by their ruling.

 

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I would think a ball to the face is understandably an immediate "health in danger" to me though that is yet another reason (reason #2386) why I would make a poor umpire. Tough call though. I as a coach would head out on the field right away and would totally accept whatever judgment would be given by the umpire regardless of the outcome of the game.

 

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Any of my players take a headshot that puts them on the ground, don't get in my way, game be darned. It's everything a parent can do to sit in the stands and not immediately react so I'm attending to the player at this point, not the game. That's the responsibility I'm charged with. I'll let the umpires straighten it out and abide by their ruling.

Rock on!