When Softball gets Ungly

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I taunted my kids when they were young after a game of Go Fish, they played with their backs to the mirror. Must be why they don't taunt, because they know what it feels like...;&


Bottom line, some adults are gonna be jacka$$es and kids are caught in the middle. Bad people give bad advices and hopefully some good will come out of this.

Won every game of Go Fish when kids were young... Just saying:lmao:.

 

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I think it is about time to move on from this, reflect on what has happened to many people involved and let it die. We also need to keep all parties in our thoughts and prayers. What a great sport we are involved in that inspires our daughters to play at a high level, meet new people, travel to great cities, and develop as a young lady. I see a family atmosphere when I attend these events with great things happening. My three kids cannot wait to go and watch games while playing with there extended softball family. I think we often get caught up in winning and the competition while forgetting about life. Can we all move on and instead of posting thoughts, spend more time with your children building their lives to maximize our communities. Lets all be in this together while enjoying the competition and each other. Wishing both parties prayers in recovery from this terrible situation.

 

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I read this post from front to end. I would venture to say that once again we are stuck in a pickle. We wonder why kids do the things they do, I say its all genetics. Kids are predispositioned for certain characteristics. Some would say, HECK yea!!! I want a catcher with that attitude! Some feel there is NO place in this sport for stuff like that!! But there are a HECK of a lot of people who say Publicly"oh how shameful but privately they say " dang she's a beast and i wish our catcher had that aggression" ! It's funny the hypocrisy that pours out on these forums! To publicly have a trial of a kid and parent on a site like this is embarrassing and should be beneath most adults. I understand passions of parents. However I would suggest one piece of advice that has served me well over the years.

When passions are high and you are fuming.......put your thoughts down in an email or post.....BUT .....wait and DO NOT HIT SEND OR POST!!! Wait overnight ,,,,,wake up and have your coffee and then ,,,re-read your post!! Chances are , with clear eyes and mind, you may decide not to hit the button.

I always tell my kids.....YOU Deserve everything You EARN.

 

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I don't think anyone has bashed or blamed the Emerald coaching staff or Parents at all! Just one! Okiedad!

 

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I read this post from front to end. I would venture to say that once again we are stuck in a pickle. We wonder why kids do the things they do, I say its all genetics. Kids are predispositioned for certain characteristics. Some would say, HECK yea!!! I want a catcher with that attitude! Some feel there is NO place in this sport for stuff like that!! But there are a HECK of a lot of people who say Publicly"oh how shameful but privately they say " dang she's a beast and i wish our catcher had that aggression" ! It's funny the hypocrisy that pours out on these forums! To publicly have a trial of a kid and parent on a site like this is embarrassing and should be beneath most adults. I understand passions of parents. However I would suggest one piece of advice that has served me well over the years.

When passions are high and you are fuming.......put your thoughts down in an email or post.....BUT .....wait and DO NOT HIT SEND OR POST!!! Wait overnight ,,,,,wake up and have your coffee and then ,,,re-read your post!! Chances are , with clear eyes and mind, you may decide not to hit the button.

I always tell my kids.....YOU Deserve everything You EARN.

Good points... But! Everyone must know about people like this. This is the best place for that.

 

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However I would suggest one piece of advice that has served me well over the years.

When passions are high and you are fuming.......put your thoughts down in an email or post.....BUT .....wait and DO NOT HIT SEND OR POST!!! Wait overnight ,,,,,wake up and have your coffee and then ,,,re-read your post!! Chances are , with clear eyes and mind, you may decide not to hit the button.

I always tell my kids.....YOU Deserve everything You EARN.

At around 12U, I did somewhat what you said (after I learned a lesson of my own). I type everything on a word document (especially the heated ones) and wait an hour or so. 6/10, I toss it. 3/4 times left, I re-worded, then posted. The last one, I left as is and posted.

 

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The player for sure was trying to hurt the thunder player. I don't think a broken leg was the goal, its was the result. I rarely get involved in these OFC fights, but this one is worth fighting & keeping alive until everyone knows about it. We cannot allow this in our game! We all to often make excuses in our society for people that do bad things. I get it that the Dad is the reason this 13 year old girl did this, but that does not release the girl from responsibility. I'm sure legal action will result, but we must not allow them in this game. Its just not worth it to put our daughters on the field with people that have that mentality. Love to win, but not that much! Rich Otte

 

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How great a "COACH" would a person be if he or she can turn this girls around. I realize Her dad needs to be told what is expected while his daughter is on the team and must be enforced.

IMO, 13 is just too young to be given up on, even if she broke DD's leg. I am not a PC person and don't live that way.

 

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Blue it could happen with the right coach........I believe in the good side of people myself as well!

 

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The player for sure was trying to hurt the thunder player. I don't think a broken leg was the goal, its was the result. I rarely get involved in these OFC fights, but this one is worth fighting & keeping alive until everyone knows about it. We cannot allow this in our game! We all to often make excuses in our society for people that do bad things. I get it that the Dad is the reason this 13 year old girl did this, but that does not release the girl from responsibility. I'm sure legal action will result, but we must not allow them in this game. Its just not worth it to put our daughters on the field with people that have that mentality. Love to win, but not that much! Rich Otte

I wish you could have seen it! Maybe you would think the same way I do... Either way we all have the right to determine who our girls play with & against. Truthfully I don't see things changing. Have you read Okiedads post since then?

 

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...I always tell my kids.....YOU Deserve everything You EARN.

Didn't see it and NOT judging this particular situation or anyone in it; however, IF my DD were to perform a truly malicious act like the one described in this thread, she EARNed getting booted and DESERVEs it. JMHO. I'd absolutely hate to think that my DD is even capable of such an act but can guarantee this group that I would yank her from the sport myself. Someone said, "13 is too young to be given up on" and I agree. However, I would not put her back in a position where other kids can be hurt by her actions until I was CERTAIN something like this would never happen again. (That could be as little as a year and as long as never.) Again, not judging anyone else, just speaking specifically about my DD.

 

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Didn't see it and NOT judging this particular situation or anyone in it; however, IF my DD were to perform a truly malicious act like the one described in this thread, she EARNed getting booted and DESERVEs it. JMHO. I'd absolutely hate to think that my DD is even capable of such an act but can guarantee this group that I would yank her from the sport myself. Someone said, "13 is too young to be given up on" and I agree. However, I would not put her back in a position where other kids can be hurt by her actions until I was CERTAIN something like this would never happen again. (That could be as little as a year and as long as never.) Again, not judging anyone else, just speaking specifically about my DD.

That nails it! Very much my thoughts...

 

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Didn't see it and NOT judging this particular situation or anyone in it; however, IF my DD were to perform a truly malicious act like the one described in this thread, she EARNed getting booted and DESERVEs it. JMHO. I'd absolutely hate to think that my DD is even capable of such an act but can guarantee this group that I would yank her from the sport myself. Someone said, "13 is too young to be given up on" and I agree. However, I would not put her back in a position where other kids can be hurt by her actions until I was CERTAIN something like this would never happen again. (That could be as little as a year and as long as never.) Again, not judging anyone else, just speaking specifically about my DD.

Completely agree,but girl learned from her dad and I am ASSUMING she needs help. From your post I don't think you are seeing influence of her dad (strong influence by reading his post).

personally when DD was in 8th grade I found out she was bullying on Facebook, I personally went to school and pulled her A$$ out of basketball practice and she didn't play ball that year, so I live by what I say and would do the same of my DD not playing this summer. But, I'm guessing in this situation true culprit is her dad and if I tought I could help I wouldn't give up on her because of her dad.

Seen lot of Divas during travel ball and 99% of time it starts from parents and certain 'COACH' can help her.

 

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couple comments -- to the Emerald coach - JMO but I see hardly any comments about the Emerald Organization , most everything was directed at the girl and the dad, and that teams coachs did what should be done, removed her from the game and then dismissed her from the team .....
and on to Osu staffer -- is this just your username or are you actually affliated with OSU ? I found your remarks repulsive . To suggest people WANT this type of player on their team -- I thought i might be the most cynical person on earth but you top me . JMO but thats a total **** post .

 

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On behalf of the Ohio Wolfpack Organization, first and foremost, We would like to wish Avery a speedy recovery from her broken leg.

As one of the tournament officials this past weekend, I too, did not see the play but unfortunetly had to deal with many of the complaints from both side... When you do not witness the play first hand, everything that happens next is a one sided story... And we tried our best to collect and get the best information from both sides and just asess the situation and keep peace the best we could!!! I believe for the most part the situation from both sideds were handled effectively by both teams and coaches.

Again, The Ohio Wolfpack, would like to wish Avery a fast, speedy and full recovery!

 

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personally when DD was in 8th grade I found out she was bullying on Facebook, I personally went to school and pulled her A$$ out of basketball practice and she didn't play ball that year, so I live by what I say and would do the same of my DD not playing this summer.

Amen. Folks, this is parenting. It's our job. It's how children learn right from wrong. We have to teach them and not make excuses for them. Good job blue ice.

 

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Sounds like the player with the dad pretty much will be black listed in NEO. The coaches in the other parts of the state need to know who this player and dad are so we can send them home just incase they show up in August. Hate to hold it against the kid, but a few hours a week won't change a lifestyle. Praying and wishing the best for the injured player and her family.

 

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Sorry to hear about Jeff and his daughter. Never met Avery or Jeff but I have talked on the phone with him a few times. A stand up man! Hope she recovers fast! Hope it wasnt a 'bad' break. Meaning worse than a clean break so it heals faster.. Man thats horrible! I never seen an MLB player slide in hard enough to break a leg!
I will say I know #13 and Okiedad. He lives for his daughter. His daughter #13 is an aggressive young lady. In the winter months, #13 would come out and help with my team. She also lead drills for Bob when he ran his clinics in the dome. I just cant see #13 doing this on purpose but then again, I wasnt there. Okiedad lives for #13s softball career. I can say this because what isnt mentioned here is the fact he has another daughter a year younger that plays rec ball. #13 has all the talent between the 2 players. The other child is a very nice respectful young lady but you can tell that dad is more into #13. Maybe a dad trying to live through his daughter? Okiedad is a decent guy from the time I have spent talking to him with #13. But then again, I wasnt there to see what happened.
The Fire wish Avery a speedy recovery and hope shes 100% very soon! We also hope #13 learns from this and gets a chance to play ball again. Very sad this happened in our tight nit softball world.

 

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The foundation of a player is built in the home and Blue_Ice provides a good example. There may be some outside influences over time that could lead a player astray but parents have the most power and influence over their child to keep them on a course of sportsmanship in a competitive environment. The coach's responsibility is to reinforce gamesmanship and sportsmanship along with teaching the fundamentals of the game. Maybe even help guide and lead parents who have never competed on this level or played organized sports. But those parents have the obligation to be receptive to learn how to teach their child to be sportsmanlike in that scenario. I do not think a coach can trump the influences of a vindictive or aggressive parent who only views the world from their perspective and is unwilling to change. The coach can only remove the problem before it affects the rest of what they have.

 

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