24 hours to accept, really?!

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With all due respect Centerville, I think that's an oversimplification/generalization. I think much has to do with the number of organizations in a geographic area, those organization's approaches to adding teams, the knowledge of the players and their families about the organizations, etc. I know of at least two traditionally statewide respected organizations in this area that have scheduled additional tryouts this coming weekend. Why is that? Did they not fill their teams first time around? Did they add additional teams? But guess what ... there are some very good players stalling on offers from other organizations who are going to come away empty-handed if those organizations decide not to wait for them. I just talked to a parent this evening whose daughter and about 50 other girls went to such a tryout and found out there were only 4 spots open, and now they're back-tracking to see what other opportunities are still available. I don't know what the right/best answer is, but I know it's a difficult process for coaches and players/families.

This plus the fact it was national tryout weekend last weekend. So alot of people are going to their other choices this weekend on their list. Those teams who rushed to cover might just be missing the boat...

 

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With all due respect Centerville, I think that's an oversimplification/generalization. I think much has to do with the number of organizations in a geographic area, those organization's approaches to adding teams, the knowledge of the players and their families about the organizations, etc. I know of at least two traditionally statewide respected organizations in this area that have scheduled additional tryouts this coming weekend. Why is that? Did they not fill their teams first time around? Did they add additional teams? But guess what ... there are some very good players stalling on offers from other organizations who are going to come away empty-handed if those organizations decide not to wait for them. I just talked to a parent this evening whose daughter and about 50 other girls went to such a tryout and found out there were only 4 spots open, and now they're back-tracking to see what other opportunities are still available. I don't know what the right/best answer is, but I know it's a difficult process for coaches and players/families.

Absolutely agree....on the other end of the spectrum, there are teams canceling their tryouts for the upcoming weekend because they have completed their rosters...the most important part of this "silly season" is that the girls get on a team that will help develop and improve at the very least their softball game....

 

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Hitter, I think you have hit on the biggest issue this year. . .Nationals for age divisions being on two different weekend, where in most year prior all ASA's typically are the same weekend. It causes organizations to have to push back dates to ensure all of their teams coaches can be available for tryouts. Those that didn't attend and decided to go early may have missed out on some of these girls trying out and have opted to add another tryout to obtain some of these players attention. . .

What I don't understand is why would an organization push for 24 hours knowing that 75% of the teams have pushed back tryouts to accomodate all players attending a nationals. . . .hummm I have my thoughts, but who knows for certain. . .

 

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What I don't understand is why would an organization push for 24 hours knowing that 75% of the teams have pushed back tryouts to accomodate all players attending a nationals. . . .hummm I have my thoughts, but who knows for certain. . .

My only thought is that they knew they could put together their team based on the players attending their tryouts...I don't think anyone can say one time period works for everyone...situations are different for every team. But if I would guess, I would say more than 24 hours and less than two weeks to accept. How is that for being politically correct....?

 

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Feisty:

Not sure I am following your point, since I think ALL nationals were over by last weekend. I know that all ASA nationals were over by then.

The Buckeye Heat organization will probably never return to running tryouts over two weekends, because it presents all the problems discussed above. My biggest problem with two weekends of tryouts is ethical: the organization is suggesting that it doesn't matter which week you attend, but the fact is that it DOES matter because you and I both know that offers will be made to players who attend the first weekend. As someone pointed out above, the second weekend of tryouts might even be canceled.

Buckeye Heat has a version of the same problem in running two consecutive days of tryouts, but it is so much watered down that I don't think there is an ethical problem. This year, BH 95 saw the two gems they wanted on Sunday. But if we had seen them on Saturday, we could have told them that we would get back to them in 24 hours, after we saw the Sunday crew. That's a whole different dynamic than asking them to wait for a week+ OR canceling the tryout for the following weekend (see ethical problem above) so we could make an offer based upon the first weekend's tryouts.

 

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For example, pitching. How often do we see posts "Team needs pitcher" If you don't get quality pitching, your team is going to struggle. :

This has a snowball effect at tryout time. Position players need to be sure the team has a solid battery to compete on the level they want to. Pitchers need to know they have catcher they can count on and so on. When this is not in place at the time the position player's decision needs to be made if can be a tough call.

I hate to say it, but 24 hours just invites a commitment that may change later in the week. It's a tough time on both sides for most.

 

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Like I said, it is the "silly season"....pitchers want to make sure they have the hitting defense and catching before they commit, everyone else wants to make sure they have good pitching before they commit...maybe having a short deadline is better??

 

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Whatever happened to having faith that the coaches are going to put together a good team? Are all these players becoming Lebron-esque, have to control things at every step.

 

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Whatever happened to having faith that the coaches are going to put together a good team? Are all these players becoming Lebron-esque, have to control things at every step.

Amen

 

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Whatever happened to having faith that the coaches are going to put together a good team? Are all these players becoming Lebron-esque, have to control things at every step.

Especially if your daughter wants to play college ball, you really have to invest time in researching teams. It would be great if everyone told the truth and put your daughter first, but that isn't going to happen....if you just blindly listen to what a coach tells you, I think you will find yourself in hot water and your daughter on a team that is not what you were led to believe. Nothing wrong with looking at past records and tournaments, talking to parents and players to make sure what you are being told by the organization is true. You have to be your daughter's advocate. There are plenty of great coaches out there but some shady ones. If a shady one gets o hold of you, you have lost a season...

 

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My oldest dd tried out for a team a few yrs. back. Right there at the field the coach said do you want the spot or no? If I find out you went to other try outs you will be dropped from the team simple as that. Needless to say It was not the right fit for her and we left the team mid way through the season and went to another team....... 24-48 hrs is respectable time frame. But you need to find the right fit for your dd and your family. Making the wrong choice can make for a long and miserable season for everyone involved!!!!

 

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As a manager, I know I need to fill these positions and I can't afford to be left dangling for longer than a couple of days while the player is still out shopping around. I extended the offer in good faith and would like the committment in return within a reasonable amount of time. If you can't accept within 3 days, then I'm thinking you really dont want to be apart of the team and I need to pursue girls that do.
On the other side of the coin, for the girls, this is like a job interview, if you walked into an interview and the boss made an offer and you had to accept on the spot. Would you actually take it? I guess it depends on the company.

 

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Especially if your daughter wants to play college ball, you really have to invest time in researching teams. It would be great if everyone told the truth and put your daughter first, but that isn't going to happen....if you just blindly listen to what a coach tells you, I think you will find yourself in hot water and your daughter on a team that is not what you were led to believe. Nothing wrong with looking at past records and tournaments, talking to parents and players to make sure what you are being told by the organization is true. You have to be your daughter's advocate. There are plenty of great coaches out there but some shady ones. If a shady one gets o hold of you, you have lost a season...

I agree, if you are a players agent ( parent ) take the time to find out not only the teams schedule from last season but at the 16, 18U level find out how many kids that received, college attention, If at all possible talk to players and parents that have been helped by being associated with that team.
Once you are at the level where you are seriously thinking of playing ball in college, ask the potential coaches the following questions.
How many kids have you had that have received Attention from colleges (By playing the correct tournaments, doing your homework and sending out mail to the colleges your interested in, by attending the camps needed to get you the right amount of exposure)
Can you assist in helping to create profiles and skills videos if one hasent already been completed.
Do you make contact to the prospective college coach after the visit to follow up on the visit
Do you know how to apply for Clearing house numbers
When and how many times should I take my ACT and then what do I do afterwards.
Do you have a program set up monitor the amount of e mails the kids are sending college coaches ( from the introduction to the invitation to games to thank you letters for attending)

Just a few questions that If I had to do it over again I would make sure I asked any program at this age level

 

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Just a few questions that If I had to do it over again I would make sure I asked any program at this age level

I think anyone would agree you did just fine as is!!!

 

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On the other side of the coin, for the girls, this is like a job interview, if you walked into an interview and the boss made an offer and you had to accept on the spot. Would you actually take it? I guess it depends on the company.

At the same time.........if you have multiple job opportunities, what's wrong with finding the best one? If you settle for the first offer without finding out what each team has to offer, you're cheating yourself.

With that said, players and coaches have to figure out what suits them. Then communicate that to the other. My DD has been fortunate to have coaches that I can communicate with realitive ease.

It takes a few season to get this all figured out. All you can do is hope and pray that you make the right decision. .

 

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As a manager, I know I need to fill these positions and I can't afford to be left dangling for longer than a couple of days while the player is still out shopping around. I extended the offer in good faith and would like the committment in return within a reasonable amount of time. If you can't accept within 3 days, then I'm thinking you really dont want to be apart of the team and I need to pursue girls that do.

Absolutely Agree

On the other side of the coin, for the girls, this is like a job interview, if you walked into an interview and the boss made an offer and you had to accept on the spot. Would you actually take it? I guess it depends on the COMPANY.

On the side of that coin - would you be interviewing for a job you didn't want?

 

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Absolutely Agree

On the side of that coin - would you be interviewing for a job you didn't want?

I have interviewed for jobs that I thought would be excellent fits, only to find out that I may have romanticized the idea a little too much and upon interviewing it wasn't everything that I had hoped for, but it may be sufficient enough to give me what I really want.
I feel some of the parents seem to forget that every (and I mean every) organization has its pros and cons, no matter what kind of rep that organization has.
As the old adage goes, the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. I think it was Bombeck that said the greenest grass is over the septic system. :lmao:

 

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I think it was Bombeck that said the greenest grass is over the septic system. :lmao:

:lmao::lmao:

 

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I am not sure if this has been asked, but let's say we did our homework, learned all we could about teams we were interested in, narrowed it down to 2 teams. Team 1 is having a tryout this Saturday, team 2 next Saturday. Team 1 likes DD, wants a commitment in 3 days. How is it remotely fair to ask that of a girl/family? This is all hypothetical, but from how it sounds in this thread, very likely that it could happen. Are you telling me that as a coach, you would deprive this player the right to go to both tryouts and actually have a choice? What if this girl/family told you up front that she has her choices narrowed down to 2 teams, but the other tryout was not until next weekend? Would you still be that hard headed to force a decision before the next tryout? To me, this is the reason why salesmen get the bad rap they do, because they are forcing an answer and also why on large purchases there is a 3 day right of cancellation in Ohio. ;&

 

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I am not sure if this has been asked, but let's say we did our homework, learned all we could about teams we were interested in, narrowed it down to 2 teams. Team 1 is having a tryout this Saturday, team 2 next Saturday. Team 1 likes DD, wants a commitment in 3 days. How is it remotely fair to ask that of a girl/family? This is all hypothetical, but from how it sounds in this thread, very likely that it could happen. Are you telling me that as a coach, you would deprive this player the right to go to both tryouts and actually have a choice? What if this girl/family told you up front that she has her choices narrowed down to 2 teams, but the other tryout was not until next weekend? Would you still be that hard headed to force a decision before the next tryout? To me, this is the reason why salesmen get the bad rap they do, because they are forcing an answer and also why on large purchases there is a 3 day right of cancellation in Ohio. ;&

Couldnt agree more.....

After going round and round , i dont think we've really found a good way to do this.