beware of the softball snakes

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Everyone talks about the team hopping player or should I say, "parents" but that player still has takers year after year. I just wish some of these kids who leave their present teams for the so called elite teams, would stick around and maybe make the team they are on one of the so called elite. Would be nice to see a thread were people own up and admit that they left one org. for another and it really didn't turn out like they had hoped. Of course, none of us will admit that the grass was not greener on the other side.

I do agree that no one is holding a gun to anyone's head and if your player is truly happy then they are going nowhere. DD's team came thru a very trying year off the field and I truly believe that they were able to do this because they truly put the team first. It is a blessing when you have great kids and parents.

 

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I do not think WHEN a coach approaches a player makes them a snake, but feeding them a line of bs does. The same way a player leaving in season with out a good reason, to goto another team makes them look selfish. The issue of a coach taking a player that was groomed by a certain coach or org is rediculous, I bet those players payed dues showed up to practice and worked their butts off, making the talent as much theirs as the coaches or orgs.

I thiink all coaches are guilty of recruiting talented players others have helped develope because I have never seen a post for a player that reads.{Wanted pitcher that loves game of softball, but cant hit broad side of barn, let me try to make you a #1 pitcher.

 

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I think when could be as bad as a line of bull. How about a coach at 3rd recruiting a 3rd basegirl during a game. lol

 

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That would be a rat.

 

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They are recruiting our players all season long. We had a player this july fall for the snake oil. She was happy, she was with us for 3 years. Then we noticed a change in her attitude. We did not know why. We found out later that she was promised a spot with the ****** then she was just told today they did not need her. She did not come to our tryouts, and we already picked up a player to fill her spot. Parents wake up. If you take your DD to the ****** do you think they will stop? They will be looking to replace your DD with the first player they think is better, and they will steal her from a coach that has put many hrs actually coaching her to help her get to the point where the ****** notice. WAKE UP OHIO PARENTS.

 

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..... and they will steal her from a coach that has put many hrs actually coaching her to help her get to the point where the ****** notice. WAKE UP OHIO PARENTS.

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS. NOBODY CAN STEAL PLAYERS. THEY LEAVE BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL.

It could be time for reflection. They are not leaving for snake oil. They are leaving for something they don't think they are getting with their current team. It could be coaching, playing time, position, chemistry, whatever, a 1000 different reasons. If you really want to get better, call them and ask them to help you get better and ask them to be honest about why they left the team. You may not like what you hear but if you can accept it you'll be better next time.

 

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Funny how that happens is'nt it.. Bigger but not allways Better..Is that why the ****** can NOT produce a team since there 10u year that can win?..you can have bigger all day long,but if the girls don't gel together and play together for moe than one year..what do you have?.. what they have right now..just a name..And lets face it. Everyone catches up with one another at some point.If you don't have the coaching to further there skills beyond what they naturally have..you will have broke your whole core of girls up..and will just keep recycling them. To find the allready made/groomed team.That is what snake oil is..it is about the name game ladies and gentleman.Sure it is very flattering as a parent/player coming up and being recognized for there natural ability,or the ability instilled them you by another coach. The sad part is my daughter did not have a coach untill she was 11u. and She had been traveling since she was 8u.Girls/parents if you find a coach that actually coaches and gets your daughter thru her softball years,although it is quite tempting,beware of the snake oil. Your diamond will shine no matter where she is.

 

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After three years in travel ball the parents should know, like in life there are no sure things. I feel bad for the dd but its her parents fault. I would not worry about it and hopfully they will come to tryouts next year she will make the team and other parents will learn by their mistake, and somewhere in the back of your mind you can be saying I told you so.

 

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Great post weekend warrior 1999 you are awsome, at the end of the day it is still about the girls and everyone needs to keep their best interest at heart, but i sure would love to see how much everything would level out if so called recruiting wasnt allowed, and the players had no prssure to play here or there, i am sure the coaching would really show up then, and i believe that would really make things exciting for everyone.

 

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The problem is that it is so hard to believe any organization and so even when parents are being correctly informed on things half the time they don't know what to believe. For example, my daughter was at a tryout and another parent is there with their daughter trying out. The parent is lobbying to be a coach of some sort for that organization. Well after quizzing me for twenty minutes on my daughter (and realizing he would not be a coach), he calls another organization, accepts a coaching job with them and then calls me up wanting my daughter to come there. Then last year my daughter accepted an invite to play with a team only to find out a background check was not done properly and their was felony issues with the coach (even though organizations claim they do all checks). And neither one was the ******. The 00 situation is very unfortunate, the coach is really good, but I think parents have as much (if not more) to do with a players development. I mean look how many great players played for their Dads over the years. I wish nothing but good for everyone involved and much success in their future choices.

 

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Great post weekend warrior 1999 you are awsome, at the end of the day it is still about the girls and everyone needs to keep their best interest at heart, but i sure would love to see how much everything would level out if so called recruiting wasnt allowed, and the players had no prssure to play here or there, i am sure the coaching would really show up then, and i believe that would really make things exciting for everyone.

I use to think as you do now when I first came into travel, but it can't be any farther from the truth. The best keep getting better year after year as they get older and you just can't field a competitive team against the better/bigger organizations because they keep finding better players athletically and physically. Sooner or later the old adage comes into play..."If you can't beat them...Join them!!" And that is what happens.

Either one of two things will eventually happen....If you coach your DD on a smaller organization you will either try to get on with one of the bigger organizations as a coach and take your team, while trying to "upgrade" or you will just quit coaching and turn her over to another team/coach. If your DD is on one of these smaller teams you will eventually move her to the bigger team, or be left scratching your head late Saturdays or early Sundays as your heading home because your team is one and done!! It comes right back to Darwinism and "Survival of the Fittest." If you want your daughter to be the best she has to play with/against the best!! Good Luck!!!

 

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Merlin, that is funny!

 

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Knights: If daughters are impact players, then whatever teams they go to should improve to the point where they play late on Sunday. Right? Otherwise, what difference does it make if they move around? A mediocre player is a mediocre player whether she's on a good team or a bad one. I can think of a couple of mediocre teams that turned into champions in recent years with the addition of one or two great players. It will be interesting to see how this off-season's comings and goings will change certain teams.

3DM: While I applaud your altruism, it is clearly not the norm. To the leaders of most organizations, each player is nothing but a tool to be used for the purpose of furthering that organization's goal of becoming popular and profitable through success on the field. Some people throw the word "family" around when they talk about their organizations. But many of these "families" will send your daughters packing if they have a chance to put better players in their uniforms. All about the girls? Maybe it's that way for you-- but then, what have the Breakers won lately? If you want to play late on Sundays, it better be all about the RIGHT girls. Just sayin'...

 

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WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS. NOBODY CAN STEAL PLAYERS. THEY LEAVE BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL.

It could be time for reflection. They are not leaving for snake oil. They are leaving for something they don't think they are getting with their current team. It could be coaching, playing time, position, chemistry, whatever, a 1000 different reasons. If you really want to get better, call them and ask them to help you get better and ask them to be honest about why they left the team. You may not like what you hear but if you can accept it you'll be better next time.

I don't have a problem with kids going to other tryouts. I don't have a problem with a kid leaving my team. What I do have a problem with is a parent (who's child is leaving my team for another org) recruiting kids from MY tryout and during my team's season for that other organization.

Once the season is over, the kid is a free agent up until they commit to a team. Recruit all you want, as long as it's not on my team's time. When a kid is at my tryout, or committed to my team before and during my team's season, hands off. Do you at least agree with that Ringer or do you think it's okay to recruit anywhere, anytime?

Len

 

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I'm with you Len and I would say people do steal players. If you recruit a player during a season while they are playing on a team you are stealing. Yea it's a two street and the player would have to agree to go but if you enticed them into it you are stealing. Doesn't mater if the reason are valid or contrived

 

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I don't have a problem with kids going to other tryouts. I don't have a problem with a kid leaving my team. What I do have a problem with is a parent (who's child is leaving my team for another org) recruiting kids from MY tryout and during my team's season for that other organization.

Once the season is over, the kid is a free agent up until they commit to a team. Recruit all you want, as long as it's not on my team's time. When a kid is at my tryout, or committed to my team before and during my team's season, hands off. Do you at least agree with that Ringer or do you think it's okay to recruit anywhere, anytime?

Len

Bingo. That's it in a nutshell. Have to agree with the Lenski. Anything else is *****.

 

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Mike I agree Stingrays is start of what they call in NASCAR the silly season. Being there all day long I really enjoy seeing the coaches try to quietly grab some face time with player and parents but ALSO the parents who just happen to watch every game of a team they are eyeing up.

On the recruiting players topic. The best one this year was a coach who was trying to poach several players from a good organization in the SE by saying he had a commitment from ANOTHER teams #1 pitcher. The pitcher's dad, current coach and I thought that was the most creative snake oil job we had seen!! Wonder how the poaching coach explains at his first practice why the promised pitcher is not there. LOL

wonder who this was... :lmao::lmao:. If it's who I think it is... what a round mound of sound...

 

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WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS. NOBODY CAN STEAL PLAYERS. THEY LEAVE BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL.

It could be time for reflection. They are not leaving for snake oil. They are leaving for something they don't think they are getting with their current team. It could be coaching, playing time, position, chemistry, whatever, a 1000 different reasons. If you really want to get better, call them and ask them to help you get better and ask them to be honest about why they left the team. You may not like what you hear but if you can accept it you'll be better next time.

good points Ringer! As a team or coach... in my case both if you know "us"... make it so good they can't leave... then you have nothing to worry about.

And if you are "holding a kid back", let them go. It's about them, not the chest thumping arrogant coach...

 

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Bingo. That's it in a nutshell. Have to agree with the Lenski. Anything else is *****.

:lmao::lmao:
Nice word play!!
Len