BRETMAN- Pitching call ?

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After coming to the pitching rubber
and getting her sign she then leaps off the ground with both feet, she
is off the rubber when her hands seperate.now she touches down and
her lead leg goes forward and her pivot foot is on the rubber and drags.
even tho she is legal from pivot to plate , would not maintaining foot
on rubber constitute an illegal pitch.

This was in our high school game. Anyone think this is illegal ?
 
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Just a question, was there a bee after her, or is it part of her pitch? I have no answer, just a question.
 
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Sounds illegal to me. The instant her pivot foot loses contact with the pitcher's plate, that is an illegal pitch.
 
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She has a strange delv, she moves forward once and then back and then pitches. Never seen this style !
 
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http://www.nfhs.org/web/2008/02/softball_video_clips__training.aspx
Bretman, we played this team and we talked to the umpires before the game and told them about the replant. They flat out told us they would not call it. She jumped at least a few inches off the rubber each time before she threw the ball. It was very obvious to everyone.
1. Anything else we could do ?
2. Don't all the umpires get these updates and train on points of emphasis at the high school level?

One of the parents had a camera and showed us still photo's after the game. Personnel use, before we get into that new rule. No way could you not see the replant.
 
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Umpires not calling infractions to rules and stating they won't has come up here before so it must be somewhat wide spread. It totally flabbergasts me that umpires can pick and choose which rules to enforce to any degree. When they said they will not "call it" that means they know it is against the rules but THEY choose what rules will be used. So a team comes to a game not knowing which of the rules will be in place. Is it just me or is that just out of this world wrong??? Why is it that way?
 
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SBFAMILY said:
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1. Anything else we could do ?
2. Don't all the umpires get these updates and train on points of emphasis at the high school level?

1) About all you can do is state your case as clearly and calmly as possible and just hope that the umpire sees the light! If asked a question about a rule, the umpire should be willing to give an answer. If he stonewalls, it usually means that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

When discussing the pitch or a rule, it helps if you state the rule as closely as it appears in the rule book as possible. For instance, you could say "The rule says that the pivot foot has to maintain contact with the pitcher's plate or ground until the stride foot lands." Then ask him, "Why isn't that an illegal pitch?". Gets right to the heart of the matter and should get a straight forward answer as to why the call is or isn't being made.

Do that and you have stated your case as clearly as possible, addressed the specific rule and, you would hope, should get an answer that explains the umpire's interpretation of the rule and his judgment.

Unfortunately, if all that fails you're pretty much stuck with whatever they're going to call (unless protests are allowed, which they are not under OHSAA rules).

2) You would think so. But I'm starting to wonder! I'm convinced that there are a lot of umpires out there who are either set on doing things "their way" or do not bother to grow and learn each season to improve themselves and their game.

The rule books are there, the training is there, the clinics are there, but you also need an umpire that is willing to study this material in an effort to improve. Some seem to find their level of comfort, become set in their ways, just figure that they "know it all" and don't make any effort to move beyond that.
 
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We did exactly that you stated. What is bad, not only this set of umpires but another set of umpires concerning this same pitcher. They flat out stated we have not called it all year and we are not going to call it now (Quote). So they knew the rule and flat out wouldn't call it!
 
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