Hitting and Hitters Discussion Grip and rolling the wrist question

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Rolling the wrist and topping the ball has been a reoccurring challenge for my DD over the past year and a half. She has an 02 birthday and a lot of power but most of her balls are grounders. Her hitting coach teaches that the bat should continue on an upward path after palm up palm down contact and finish over her shoulder. This is a focus at home workouts but she rolls her wrist and bat finishes around her arm consistently.

Can her gripping the bat like a hammer be a major factor in this? Timing? Dominate top hand?
 
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Video would really help! Not "all" batting guru's speak the same language. Grip is a huge part of your swing and hugely over looked. At some point she must roll the wrist to get both hands to finish, but it should happen AFTER contact and extension.
 
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Use a Bat Jack. Cheap and easy to use. It forces you to have a correct grip. You can order one thru Busto's s web site.
 
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Lots of T work and front toss focussing on driving through the ball. I don't teach finishing high, I teach getting full extension (in the hitting lane) and the finish is naturally high. Work on maintaining palm up palm down through the ball to extension. One handed drills are good too. Whenever there is a mechanical issue, you also want to be sure she is tracking the ball all the way to contact, sometimes mechanical failures occur because their eyes are not tracking the ball deep enough and so the hands and body may do all types of thigns because the eyes are not feeding accurate information to the brain on the location of the ball. Work on hand position being palm up palm down to extension, most of the time finishing below the shoulder is due to no extension, going from contact directly to follow-through which can come with wrist rolling too because they have to roll to go right to follow-through. Be happy to help more if need be, video would be a great help.

Jack Jenkins
Workhouse Fastpitch
Jjen823@aol.com
 
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Thank you! This make a lot of sense and I can see these issues in her swing. I only have video from a distance and the details are hard to see on the computer.
 
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DD had a hitting lesson this morning and it was so obvious what was happening! When she finished her swing to extension the results were line drives or deep shots! When her swing finished around her arm, balls hit into the ground robbing her power. Thanks!!!
 
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hitaball: Thanks for the update...thats good to hear. I started this with my team this summer of not even talking about follow-through, we said all summer there are two parts to the swing, contact and extension. This kind of reinforces in their head to focus on getting to extension and not even worry about follow through because it happens fairly naturally.
 
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Jack how do you teach your students to track the ball?

Thanks Howard
 
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In words I tell them to imagine they have a camera on their forehead and they want to take good, clear pictures of the ball from pitchers release all the way in so the last picture they take is of the ball hitting the bat...(covers keeping the head still and following it to contact) and also use a head lamp and turn the lights out and have them hit front toss with only the flashlight on (Use lite flite balls). If their head goes they can't see anything, just like what happens in live situation. Also make sure they don't get lazy on the T and let their head go with their hands. In general it is a constant reminder that in all drills their eyes need to be in the contact zone at contact to hit at an elite level. Another word image I use is Hands and hips connected at start and eyes and barrel of the bat connected at contact. I feel a little intimidated answering a question from you, so now let me have it! LOL
 
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Jack I am always trying to learn new ways to teach.

The first thing we address is stance or you can not get the two eyed look. Most kids feel uncomfortable just trying to turn the head towards the pitcher far enough to get that two eyed look. Take two toilet paper rolls (empty) and have them use it as binoculars. They will not be able to turn the head far enough towards the pitcher without the neck feeling uncomfortable. Now have them move the back foot towards home plate about two to four inches or what TSW termed a 5 degree to 10 degree open stance and the stress in the neck is gone. I only have three kids who use a closed stance and they all had lazy left eye surgery. Most of our kids use a slightly open stance or even based on their body type.

If you close your eyes when in the batters box as a right handed hitter looking at first base, which way does your eyes move when you turn your head towards the pitcher? You should be able to feel the eye balls on the back of the eye lids....the eyes move rearward. Now with a good two eyed look and understanding of how the eyes move, when they hitter strides if they give the head a head start by slightly moving the head rearward, the eyes will fixate on the incoming ball by the eyes moving towards the pitcher. The eyes move faster than the head so we are giving the head a head start and the eyes will catch up naturally. The eyes will scan the ball and the brain will convert the two different images into one and the brain will help adjust your eyes to the flight of the ball so the bat meets the ball. You can not actually see the ball and bat collide if the speed of the ball is over 35 MPH.

I use the Nike Strobe glasses and also a strobe light mounted over the hitters head to prove this to them.

Another drill I do is to soft toss from the side while the hitter looks through the net as if it is the pitchers point of release. Again as they stride foot lands, the head turns slightly and I hold my fist which is zero, one, two or three fingers and they must tell me immediately what the hand count is. You will notice if the front leg is stiff/ rigid, or the front side opens, they can not see my hand count. The brain will adjust the hands to the flight of the ball based on the information and training of the balls flight path and they will hit the ball without actually seeing where the ball went and they are stronger with their head down verses up. When using a tee we have a white rag inside the tee and after hitting the ball their eyes should be fixed on the rag. We do not want them to see where the ball went. Again we want them to look through the net and track the ball to the tee.

I always want to hear what others do to learn something new.

Thanks Howard
 
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Great stuff thanks...yeah I have had that discussion about not actually being able to see it hit the bat over 35mph, (and understand the science of that) but on front toss you can and should have your head in a position to be able to. Its a combination of understandable terms or word pictures and lots of good reps.
 
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There is a book, Keep Your Eye on the Ball that has a lot of information especially on tracking and speed of the ball and how the eyes can not move fast enough after the ball is more than 34 degrees off fovea or the back of the eye. It may work for front toss however are you practicing game situations where the head must start a little early so the eyes can catch up? Being able to explain the head position is what really gets them to understand it in my opinion.

Howard
 
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