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If someone found a way to put alcohol in the database they should really patent it!

 

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The network also has girls too Lenny

Okay....Good O'le Boys and Girls Club.

Len

 

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Perhaps because some on here always what to make it a personnel attack because no matter what that person posts Len, we all know you don't like Howard. It is obvious to anyone that reads your responses. Why don't we leave the personnel attacks off this forum and post what is best for the kids.

Not true. I have personally never met Howard so I have no idea whether I like him or not as a person. Also, my post was not focused on Howard so much....it was more focused on the fact that SoCal Dad is stating fact straight from the ASA rule book yet he is incorrect as deemed so by a couple of lemmings. SoCal Dad is showing some of you up and you do not seem to like it one bit. Now, go ahead and respond to this post then do what you always do, which is hide behind big daddy. Geez....you're like a little annoying ankle-biter!!!!

Len

 

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I think I will just leave this thread to Len and SoCal so they can continue their mutual admiration. Enjoy boys...

 

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Cool site and props to anyone that can help players become better.

I did find this post in the Testimonials quite funny from their website:

"The Bat Jack helped me hit the ball farther and I felt like I had more control of the bat."

- Henry Holman
7 year old "Future Prospect"



The ole 7 year old Future Prospect League is really heating up these days! :lmao:

 

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Just stay on the subject long enough and we can figure it out as to what Bretman termed safety tape verses safety grip. It needs to be clarified in my opinion.

Len I will try to make it to one of your games over the summer.

 

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I think I will just leave this thread to Len and SoCal so they can continue their mutual admiration. Enjoy boys...

Wow....what in the heck are you talking about??? It's not my fault you misquoted or misinterpereted a rule. Not quite the reply I would expect from a moderator.

Len

 

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Again, I have no problem if the Bat Jack is used as a training aid. If a player must use it in a game, at least follow the rules set forth by the ASA. If clarification is necessary, I don't know if Bretman could help you more than contacting ASA directly and asking for clarification....preferably in writing, or at least signed off.

Out of curiosity, what about other associations...do they allow it as well?

Len

 

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Cool site and props to anyone that can help players become better.

I did find this post in the Testimonials quite funny from their website:

"The Bat Jack helped me hit the ball farther and I felt like I had more control of the bat."

- Henry Holman
7 year old "Future Prospect"



The ole 7 year old Future Prospect League is really heating up these days! :lmao:

How do you teach the grip?

In my opinion many do not teach the proper grip and at contact the bat actually goes backwards at contact verses driving the ball.

The ball on bat time in my opinion lasts maybe two milliseconds and grip plays a huge part.

We have been teaching this grip style for over 10 years and this product helps your daughter understand what it feels like.

I would challenge you to have your daughter drive a 16 penny nail and then ask yourself if she can not use a $7 dollar hammer why did you buy her a $300 bat?

Just a thought....and also try this, have her come to contact and see if you can push the bat rearward with your baby finger. If you can something is wrong and do you understand how to correct it?

Howard

 

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http://www.masasoftball.org/umpire/2010_Playing_Rule_Changes_with_Comments.pdf

Follow this link to Rule 3, Section 1D

"The safety grip may be a molded finger formed grip as long as it is permanently attached to the bat, or attached with safety tape."

"Any tape applied to the safety grip must be a continuous spiral."

What constitutes a safety grip?

What is safety tape?

I would feel safety grip is indeed the bat handle grip.

I have used tennis grips for years and never had an umpire question it. The girls like the grips because they offer it in cushion grips and thin and thick and a tacky grip.

Mizuno in my opinion has better grips and most of the hitters seem to like it.

However what is safety tape? I can see the umpires interpreting this on their own and some may think duct tape, athletics tape and electric tape could be the same or different depending on what they feel is correct in my opinion. The way the grip is made you could make it spiral and attach The Bat Jack.

Howard

 

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I hate to tell you Hitter, but the link you posted was for last year and the section was rewritten again for this year (see http://downloads.asasoftball.com/umpires/pdf/2011PlayingRuleChangeswithComments.pdf).

Rule 3 Section 1D: The safety grip can be made of cork, tape or other synthetic material and must be permanently attached and cover the handle region of the bat. No bare metal may be exposed in the area covered by safety grip. It shall not be less than 10 inches and not more than 15 inches. Any attachment such as a molded finger grip, flare cone, or choke up device must be attached to the grip with safety tape. Resin, pine tar, or spray substances are permissible on the safety grip only.

Comment: Better defines the safety grip of a legal bat.

 

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Howard

Here's the clarification straight from the ASA's website even back in 2010:
http://www.softball.org/umpires/clarifications_2010_february.asp

Here's the excerpt from the link:
Question: Can you use a choke up device, molded finger grip, flare cone shape grip?
Answer Yes. Rule 3 Section 1D allows for these devices that at one time were illegal. The rule states they must be attached with safety tape. If they are not attached with safety tape they must be removed.

I would strongly suggest that ASA be contacted to find out exactly what is meant by "safety tape" if a device like this is to be used in a game.

Len

 

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No matter how you define "safety tape"..."no tape" certainly can't be considered "safety tape".

Not really trying to argue with the fine OFC forum members. Just relaying what the rule book says, the official interpretation published on the ASA website and what we have been told in ASA umpire classes and clinics.

 

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Howard

Here's the clarification straight from the ASA's website even back in 2010:
http://www.softball.org/umpires/clarifications_2010_february.asp

Here's the excerpt from the link:
Question: Can you use a choke up device, molded finger grip, flare cone shape grip?
Answer Yes. Rule 3 Section 1D allows for these devices that at one time were illegal. The rule states they must be attached with safety tape. If they are not attached with safety tape they must be removed.

I would strongly suggest that ASA be contacted to find out exactly what is meant by "safety tape" if a device like this is to be used in a game.

Len

Len that is exactly the point as an umpire can not even explain what safety tape is and now I show up with lets say athletic tape and he or she umpire says that is not safety tape in my opinion.

I Googled it and apparently there are many others who are wondering what safety tape is also.

Bretman surely you have some contacts that could help us.

Thanks Howard

 

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I hate to tell you Hitter, but the link you posted was for last year and the section was rewritten again for this year (see http://downloads.asasoftball.com/umpires/pdf/2011PlayingRuleChangeswithComments.pdf).

Rule 3 Section 1D: The safety grip can be made of cork, tape or other synthetic material and must be permanently attached and cover the handle region of the bat. No bare metal may be exposed in the area covered by safety grip. It shall not be less than 10 inches and not more than 15 inches. Any attachment such as a molded finger grip, flare cone, or choke up device must be attached to the grip with safety tape. Resin, pine tar, or spray substances are permissible on the safety grip only.

Comment: Better defines the safety grip of a legal bat.

Thank you for the help and now I still need to understand...."Must be attached to the grip with safety tape."

I think if we asked 5 umpires this question, we would not get the same answer in my opinion.

Thanks again for trying to help.

Howard

 

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:lmao::lmao::lmao:

You probably have noticed a while ago that there is a "Good 'Ole Boys Club" that rolls around on this forum and believe me when I tell you that they are never wrong no matter what is said or implied. Therefore, you sir, must be incorrect because the lemmings have deemed it so. If you continue you will soon have Bustos, Candrea, Slaught, Enquist, and others of note all up in your a$$.:lmao::lmao:

Len

This is Bustos, and I don't know where you come off saying those things. I have never attacked anyone with anything and I can say never has Candrea or the others. Just because people know me they don't speak for me or my friends. Just because I can pick up the phone when I choose and have a question answered I have never said that our way is the only way. Just because people I have worked with want to fight with people on this forum just because they don't have anything else to do doesn't mean you have the right to bring me into your argument. You are just humoring each other who have nothing to do. Just because I am asked to do something to clairify a questions doesn't mean my answer is the only answer. There are a bunch of softball people in this world and they all have different ways to get the same result. Thats why I use my real name instead of a made up one. So try to keep my name out of this, and if you have a question please feel free to call or email gotbustos@gmail.com. Your fight is among someone else not me.

I can't believe a little piece of rubber and velcro can cause such an argument!

For your information we have spoken with people and my opinion is that the device being discussed was developed as a training aid, not to be used in a game. So just keep it for what it was designed for and stop all the arguing, please. It's all just things that were developed to help the kids with one style of gripping the bat.

In the futrue I have my own name on here now so feel free to ask questions of me if you want my opinion instead of listening to what people think my opinion is

 

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Thank you for the help and now I still need to understand...."Must be attached to the grip with safety tape."

I think if we asked 5 umpires this question, we would not get the same answer in my opinion.

Thanks again for trying to help.

Howard

The rewritten rule doesn't answer the "what is safety tape" question, but it takes care of your other questions about the previous version.

The lack of a definition for safety tape reminds me of the judge that couldn't define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it.

 

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This is Bustos, and I don't know where you come off saying those things. I have never attacked anyone with anything and I can say never has Candrea or the others. Just because people know me they don't speak for me or my friends. Just because I can pick up the phone when I choose and have a question answered I have never said that our way is the only way. Just because people I have worked with want to fight with people on this forum just because they don't have anything else to do doesn't mean you have the right to bring me into your argument. You are just humoring each other who have nothing to do. Just because I am asked to do something to clairify a questions doesn't mean my answer is the only answer. There are a bunch of softball people in this world and they all have different ways to get the same result. Thats why I use my real name instead of a made up one. So try to keep my name out of this, and if you have a question please feel free to call or email gotbustos@gmail.com. Your fight is among someone else not me.

I can't believe a little piece of rubber and velcro can cause such an argument!

For your information we have spoken with people and my opinion is that the device being discussed was developed as a training aid, not to be used in a game. So just keep it for what it was designed for and stop all the arguing, please. It's all just things that were developed to help the kids with one style of gripping the bat.

In the futrue I have my own name on here now so feel free to ask questions of me if you want my opinion instead of listening to what people think my opinion is

My post was referring to the NAME DROPPING that happens on this site, not the actual people. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but the people that have been on this site understood my point. Welcome to the board.

Len

 

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This is Bustos, and I don't know where you come off saying those things. I have never attacked anyone with anything and I can say never has Candrea or the others. Just because people know me they don't speak for me or my friends. Just because I can pick up the phone when I choose and have a question answered I have never said that our way is the only way. Just because people I have worked with want to fight with people on this forum just because they don't have anything else to do doesn't mean you have the right to bring me into your argument. You are just humoring each other who have nothing to do. Just because I am asked to do something to clairify a questions doesn't mean my answer is the only answer. There are a bunch of softball people in this world and they all have different ways to get the same result. Thats why I use my real name instead of a made up one. So try to keep my name out of this, and if you have a question please feel free to call or email gotbustos@gmail.com. Your fight is among someone else not me.

I can't believe a little piece of rubber and velcro can cause such an argument!

For your information we have spoken with people and my opinion is that the device being discussed was developed as a training aid, not to be used in a game. So just keep it for what it was designed for and stop all the arguing, please. It's all just things that were developed to help the kids with one style of gripping the bat.

In the futrue I have my own name on here now so feel free to ask questions of me if you want my opinion instead of listening to what people think my opinion is

WOW!!! :yahoo::yahoo:

Welcome to the OFC!!

Mike

 

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This is Bustos, and I don't know where you come off saying those things. I have never attacked anyone with anything and I can say never has Candrea or the others. Just because people know me they don't speak for me or my friends. Just because I can pick up the phone when I choose and have a question answered I have never said that our way is the only way. Just because people I have worked with want to fight with people on this forum just because they don't have anything else to do doesn't mean you have the right to bring me into your argument. You are just humoring each other who have nothing to do. Just because I am asked to do something to clairify a questions doesn't mean my answer is the only answer. There are a bunch of softball people in this world and they all have different ways to get the same result. Thats why I use my real name instead of a made up one. So try to keep my name out of this, and if you have a question please feel free to call or email gotbustos@gmail.com. Your fight is among someone else not me.

I can't believe a little piece of rubber and velcro can cause such an argument!

For your information we have spoken with people and my opinion is that the device being discussed was developed as a training aid, not to be used in a game. So just keep it for what it was designed for and stop all the arguing, please. It's all just things that were developed to help the kids with one style of gripping the bat.

In the futrue I have my own name on here now so feel free to ask questions of me if you want my opinion instead of listening to what people think my opinion is

About time you showed up