default
Member
If a player makes a sanctioned middle school team after tryouts is her future eligibility affected if she quits the school team and goes back to her travel team? Does it matter if she quits before the first school game?
default
Member
not fully "on the team" until the first official scrimmage.
default
Member
Not at all on the team as identified by OHSAA, unless she has played in a preview, scrimmage,or game as a sub. or starter.
See Below:
4)Non-Interscholastic Participation
4.1)A member of an interscholastic softball squad (any student who has played in ascrimmage,
previewor regular season/tournament game as a substitute or starter) sponsored
bythe Board of Education or other governing board shallnot participate in a
non-interscholasticprogram (tryouts, practice or contest) as anindividual or as a
memberof a team in the sport of softball during the school?sseason. This regulation
isapplicable for those invited to participate in a tryout, group training orpractices at
acollege or in contests, tryouts, group training or practices with anynon-school team
such as a club. (Sports Regulation 6.3).
But now I have to ask....Why?
See Below:
4)Non-Interscholastic Participation
4.1)A member of an interscholastic softball squad (any student who has played in ascrimmage,
previewor regular season/tournament game as a substitute or starter) sponsored
bythe Board of Education or other governing board shallnot participate in a
non-interscholasticprogram (tryouts, practice or contest) as anindividual or as a
memberof a team in the sport of softball during the school?sseason. This regulation
isapplicable for those invited to participate in a tryout, group training orpractices at
acollege or in contests, tryouts, group training or practices with anynon-school team
such as a club. (Sports Regulation 6.3).
But now I have to ask....Why?
default
Member
I'm curious as to why she went out for her school team, especially if she had no intentions of playing if selected? If cuts were made, is there any way of knowing that a poor kid that was on the bubble and cut will have an opportunity to rejoin her friends and classmates or has this experience left her out in the cold? Do people even think about how this effects others before pulling a stunt like this? Maybe the kid was on the bubble and not as talented at the moment as your daughter but a chance to work on her game this summer might be a turning point in her life. You don't know----I don't know----neither does the girl that now has to live with being cut.
If you have a daughter that wants to try out for a school team, she has made a conscientious decision to participate. Regardless of any opportunity that came along later, her goal was to play for the school team and if selected after tryouts should honor it with a full commitment. If her/your only motive was to try out just to see how'd she'll do, a selfish act like that should not go unpunished. At our school, if they quit at any time after making the roster, they have to sit out any and all sports during that or the next sport season.
Teach a life lesson here, follow thru with the commitment to participate and think it thru before pulling a stunt like this again. This post may not have any likeness to my scenario but it brings up questions that should be considered.
If you have a daughter that wants to try out for a school team, she has made a conscientious decision to participate. Regardless of any opportunity that came along later, her goal was to play for the school team and if selected after tryouts should honor it with a full commitment. If her/your only motive was to try out just to see how'd she'll do, a selfish act like that should not go unpunished. At our school, if they quit at any time after making the roster, they have to sit out any and all sports during that or the next sport season.
Teach a life lesson here, follow thru with the commitment to participate and think it thru before pulling a stunt like this again. This post may not have any likeness to my scenario but it brings up questions that should be considered.
default
Member
default
Member
If your DD made a commitment to team, then why did she even tryout for school team?
The minute you tryout for something, you should be making the commitment!!! It isn't travel ball, where you may try out for several teams & then decide which is best for you. If she went out for the school team - then she should follow through.........
Sure hope her travel coach feel secure with her & the family, cause sounds like they would be the type to jump ship to another travel opportunity last minute.......
default
Member
I love the mind set of people
default
Member
Gee, Hawks, didn't you know that in the first person -- I, me, my dd -- that everything is justified, and in the third person -- they -- are being unfair.
default
Member
lmao
default
Member
Thanks Lester and WCYSL that answers my question. Not really at liberty to get into the why aspect, just helping a friend out. I can say that isn't not any of the reasons speculated about here and hopefully a situation that will work out for the best.
default
Member
To play devils advocate, maybe the dad and dd did not know the team was sanctioned and governed by OSHAA. We all know there is a parental learning curve. Better to make an informed decision now than being unhappy on a team. By the way, how does a school sanctioned Jr High team benefit the young ladies if members of a nonsanctioned club team can still be involved with their travel team?
default
Member
my take, she got on the HS team and didnt get her way (or pop didnt like what he saw) and she quit.
default
Member
By saying sanctioned what are you referring to?
school sanctioning and travel ball sanctioning are two completely different orgs. Nothing about eligibility between the two exists but the coach will probably remember which is what may affect her eligibility in the future to have a legitimate shot to play, likely will find her cut later or riding the pine.
Its about teaching life lessons though, softball is secondary so quitting in my book is not an option unless there really are no other options....
default
Member
Back to the original question......
1. If she made the team but did not participate in a scrimmage/preview/game AND was practicing with her travel team during that time but quits MS ball to play travel, she is still eligible for school ball for that season.
2. If she made the team AND participated in a scrimmage/preview/game AND was practicing with her travel team during that time but quits MS ball to play travel, she is still ineligible for school ball for the rest of the season.
3. If she made the team and participated in a scrimmage/preview/game AND was not practicing/participating with her travel team during that time but quits MS ball to play travel, she is still eligible for school ball for the rest of the season if:
a. If after quitting and playing travel ball, she gets back on the MS team before April 22nd, she is still eligible IF she quits participating with her travel team until after the MS season.
b. If she joins after April 22nd and quit practicing/playing with her travel team before April 22nd, she is eligible.
4. If she joins after April 22nd and practiced/played with her travel team after April 22nd, she is ineligible.
1. If she made the team but did not participate in a scrimmage/preview/game AND was practicing with her travel team during that time but quits MS ball to play travel, she is still eligible for school ball for that season.
2. If she made the team AND participated in a scrimmage/preview/game AND was practicing with her travel team during that time but quits MS ball to play travel, she is still ineligible for school ball for the rest of the season.
3. If she made the team and participated in a scrimmage/preview/game AND was not practicing/participating with her travel team during that time but quits MS ball to play travel, she is still eligible for school ball for the rest of the season if:
a. If after quitting and playing travel ball, she gets back on the MS team before April 22nd, she is still eligible IF she quits participating with her travel team until after the MS season.
b. If she joins after April 22nd and quit practicing/playing with her travel team before April 22nd, she is eligible.
4. If she joins after April 22nd and practiced/played with her travel team after April 22nd, she is ineligible.
default
Member
Seems like a quote straight from the bylaws...
If the MS team is not club and is sanctioned/school funded in other words then wvanalmsick answered your question.
default
Member
You should also be sure to check with your school AD as they may implement different policies than OHSAA. Last year my MS DD's AD made it explicitly clear that my DD could not practice with me and our TB team after her first MS practice.
default
Member
It's not that complicated. Her eligibility mainly depends on whether she quit before playing in a game.
1. She's not restricted from travel ball until she becomes a member of the squad (i.e. participates in an interscholastic contest). At that point, players can't participate (tryout/practice/contest) with a travel team as long as they're a member of the HS/MS team for the rest of the school's season (per Softball 4.1 / General Sports 6.3). If she quit before playing in a game, she is still eligible to rejoin the team regardless of what she's done with the travel team.
2. If a player is cut or quits after becoming a member of the squad and then participates with the travel team during the school's season, they're ineligible for the remainder of the school's season (General Sports 6.7).
3. The April 22 date - the Individual Non-Interscholastic Competition cutoff - is only for OHSAA Tournament eligibility and only pertains to players that haven't played in a HS/MS contest yet. They can still practice with a travel team after the cutoff until they play in a HS/MS contest. Here is the Softball bylaw:
4.9) Individual Non-Interscholastic Competition Dates:
A softball athlete who has not participated for a school team in softball that season must
cease non-interscholastic softball competition six weeks (42 days) prior to the Monday
of the State Tournaments in softball in order to be eligible for OHSAA Tournament
competition provided applicable bylaws and regulations have been followed.
Date: April 22, 2013.
default
Member
The best answer is to get a "ruling" from your school AD. We can all give our thoughts about what we think the rules say or doesn't say, but if it isn't what the school administrators think (school AD, Principal, and OHSSA), then the kid is left in a difficult situation.
I give Johnny1986 credit for taking an interset in their DD's school eligibilty. Most parents don't know or don't care about the requirements.
I give Johnny1986 credit for taking an interset in their DD's school eligibilty. Most parents don't know or don't care about the requirements.
default
Member
While this statement is somewhat true with HS baseball. This is not at all true with softball. OHSAA rules are just that, the rules we have to follow.
Telling a parent or student athlete anything other than the OHSAA rules is in itself, a violation of the rules.
Remember its not how school AD's or coachesunderstand the rules to be, but the actual meaning of them.
BTW in baseball, coaches can tell players no contact with any outside training?..once they are officially an interscholastic team member. Not true in softball. Girls may continue sport specific training at anytime. (i.e. pitching, hitting with their instructors?..
default
Member
Our team is a "club" team however we are being asked to go by OHSAA rules. I really don't know how many really do I think most TB girls are till practicing with their teams. But we have been asked by our head AD to not to. My daughter's team has halted all practices until school ball is completed. The club thing can be a good thing and a bad thing. But I agree , your commitment starts at tryouts.
Similar threads
