Rules which we would like OHSAA to Change

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This thread is being used to gather what the people of fastpitch would like to get changed in Ohio when it comes to OHSAA rules.

My suggestions are as follows:

1. Allow the girls to win "travel expenses monies" for future events and follow the guidelines of NCAA when it comes to what is an exceptable amount. Thus, "paid berths" would be legal as well for teams to win as well.

2. Move softball to a Fall sport instead of the current Spring sport.. since the weather is better in the Fall.

3. Take off limits of high school/junior high student-athletes of when they can play club/travel ball and get rid of the June 1st through July 31st rule concerning the timetable when a team can have more that 4 members from the same school on it. ( I say this rule because the OHSAA season seems to be getting more and more into the month of June which is limiting teams to the amount of play they can legally play due to State High School tournaments are now lasting far into June.)
 
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I like the idea of #2. However, I would assume that other sports would be affected. I would like to see boys and girls volleyball in the fall and boys and girls s o c c e r in the spring. That should allow fastpitch to move to the fall. I think thats a good idea, Quakerman. I know that in my house s o c c e r is a bad word but why is it that way in this forum?
 
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I like #2 as well. A lot of states have softball in the Fall. I think S O C C E R should be in the spring. I have talked with a lot of organizations about this and they would like to see it in the spring as well.... as they seem to run into a problem of attendance because of high school football, etc....
 
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#2 would never fly. Most S O C C E R stars are track stars. Those two sports must be a different times in most high schools.
 
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I'm probably older than most on here, but we played baseball-softball as a summer sport in High School untill it was changed in 1969. The small schools didn't like it, because they lost some of the baseball stars to track.
 
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I would like the OHSAA to stop making umpires be jewelry police.
 
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Sorry to take the counterpoint here, but I think all of the OHSAA bashing is misplaced.

First your proposed rule change #3

I am probably a minority in my opinion, but that has never bothered me before. I think that the current limits on players and coaching contact times are very good rules in the best interest of the student-athletes. Notice it is student-athletes and not athlete-students. I know other states have different rules, but here is my problem...... Assume for a second that there was no limit to the number of girls from any one school on a team outside of summer and then assume that the coach was allowed contact all year long. Now you have a situation where the girls would be strongly enouraged (also mandated) to fully commit to ONLY softball. The HS coach would have complete control of the girls all year 'round and the days of multi sport athletes would be going by the wayside quicker than it is right now. The travel ball community likes to trash HS coaches (mostly unwarranted), but if the rules were lifted they (HS coaches) would most certainly have influence over which travel program the girls played for. I believe that the travel ball organizations would lose their current independence.

I would not like to see the day of multi-sport athletes go away. The only reason most think it is a good idea is because of college scholarships. While there is some money out there, the odds are highly stacked against you (about 1%-2% of HS students receive athletic scholarships) and most aren't full rides in softball. You've heard it before, but the money is in academics and NOT athletics; drive your kids an hour to the best library around and higher the best tutor around for an hour long session. At this point many of you are laughing, but that's what some do for hitting/pitching lessons!!!!! To have the best chance at these opportunities you have to play for the best teams and those teams most likely are never concerned about the 4 girl limit as they are drawing the best from a much broader area. The 4 girl rule really only affects those teams at the lower local level trying to help out their HS programs.

The State championships were scheduled for June 7th last year. How is that "FAR INTO JUNE"? The hard cutoff is June 13th, which by my best estimation is mid-June and I don't think you will see many teams playing games past the 1st week.

Now for rule #2

Moving to the fall creates many problems from the standpoint of juggling/coordinating the move with all of the other sports affected, who each probably have their own reason for not wanting to change times. Just changing the season may work well for softball, but you are not looking at the whole picture of the other sports and how they are affected. Right now many sports have their club/traveling season at a time opposite of when the colleges play, which works out well so that they can see the girls play outside of the college season during their club season. This is why Michigan switched their volleyball season around. If fall is so great, then why wouldn't colleges switch?

This would place the place the most important games and the championships into November and possibly inclimate weather. I would rather see the championship games played in the best weather possible in late-May/early-June.

In general I believe the OHSAA has the best interest of the girls at heart and I support most if not all of their rules. Additionally the rules are not really ambiguous, except when we try and take them out of context. Quit guessing at the rules or believing the ramblimgs of Joe Coach who thinks he knows the rules. Anyone can just go to www.ohsaa.org and read the rules for themselves........so easy even a caveman (softball coach) can do it! :D


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !!!!
 
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Volleyball is a indoor sport so move it to spring b/c of weather isssues. Softball should be in the fall!!!
 
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My reasoning I guess with the fact that this coming season in softball it goes into the second week of June for championship. The time a girl can play in club ball is reduced and because of Fall volleyball... a lot of girls don't get to play full weekends in the Fall due to volleyball committments of Saturday. So travel ball experience for 14 up to 18 is one and half months for weekend play. Is that right to restrict the girls who are seeking the available college scholarships... which I do understand are not that many... for only being allowed to play in very few college showcase tournaments in the few short weeks they have an opportunity to do so from mid June until actually the third week of July as usually the 4th week is Nationals. Nobody plays in August due to reforming their next year team.. and then the 14 and up are sidetracked by commitments to volleyball so there goes that weekend ball.. except some play in Sunday only events.

A lot of good points here... but I do think softball should be in the Fall and shorten the seasons so softball doesn't go into November state tournaments.

What's the thoughts concerning using the Harbin ratings in softball? Now, there is an interesting thought to ponder.

Just open that can of worms, Quakerflake....lol
 
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Why does everyone bring up the weather factor with softball being in the fall? If I'm mot mistaking the weather in Colorado has the potential to be much worse then here in Ohio in the fall and Colorado is 1 of 5 states that play ball in the fall. Georgia, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma being the other 4. With that being said, on the other side of things I'm not sure how they do baseball since we travel together in HS. I personally can go either way on that issue. By the way I don't thiunk you would be playing in Nov. with the fall season you would be able to start before school starts just as FB and Tennis and ****** does, plus you would be able to play DH until school begins meaning getting your games in quicker. Just my opion
 
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Softball in the fall would never fly in the northern part of the state. We start seeing snow fall sometimes as early as late September. Then you are talking mid November when the state tourny would wrap up.

Baseball and softball has always been a spring sport (including college and pro), so why tamper with it.

Also you have JO volleyball in the spring. You cant have both school volleyball and JO volleyball in the same season. That would cause a major conflict there alone.
 
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Much of this thread is focused on maximizing the benefit of softball, which is a problem. My DD is a two-sport athlete (volleyball and softball). If ****** moved, she is toast on keeping that commitment. If volleyball moved, then maybe that helps, but there isn't a right answer.

If there was a wish list I would want, it would revolve around a few things:

The OHSAA would MANDATE that players governed by their rules would be automatically released from their high school teams and free to play in travel organizations when their team had been eliminated from post-season playoff contention, or when their regular season schedule that preceded playoffs had been completed, if the team was not eligible for playoffs. (That means no make-up games, no secret practices, no "optional" scrimmages with the high school team. In the words of Ferris Bueller, "It's over. Go home.")


That players participating on teams that were established 501(3)c organizations would not be risk of losing amateur status if those organizations were awarded paid tournament berths, merchandise (such as bat bags, uniforms, equipment) used in the course of their season, or cash payments specifically earmarked to defray team travel expenses to attend a National tournament. The point is that the organization, not the girl, gets the prize. Making the organization a legitimate 501(3)c puts a burden of complying with distribution rules, thus giving the OHSAA a protection that monies are being used in a legal fashion.

(But it costs MONEY to become a 501(3)c! Yes. Wahhhh! Then don't play in any prize tournaments.)

Coaches already have enough "power" in terms of contact, and I would be against expanding those rules.
 
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My wish list:

1) Consider switching seasons for softball and volleyball as has been suggested. I know this is unlikely though and the rest of my list assumes no change in this.
2) Allow high school coaches to coach their girls other times of the year, though still recognizing that some no-contact periods are a good thing. I could accept the 4 player rule under these circumstances, and I think an end result would be improving the overall quality of high school coaching.
3) Allow coaches to start practicing around February 1 ... there's just not enough time to condition, practice, tryout, select teams and get ready for a season when you're confined to indoors and the season starts at the end of March.
4) Move HS pitching distance to 43'. I am familiar with the arguments against this, but is this the only sport where such a key thing is different in high school than college?
5) Go through the entire rule book and try to make things clearer ... field rules, coach contact rules, non-scholastic rules, recruiting rules, amateurism rules, etc.

I'm sure I will think of more later!
 
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I think it would greatly improve HS competition, especially for the early season games if they started their season in the fall, right before school starts. But.....now we are going to have to try to change the non-scholastic athletic participation rule because August is the big try-out period for all of the travel teams. No try-outs, practice, or playing for a travel team during HS softball season.

If you want to change one rule, then it will probably effect other rules also. For fall sports, the earliest that any coaching began this last season was July 31st for football. For the other sports, August 1st was the earliest, if the first day of school was before August 17th. If the first day of school was August 17th or later, then the beginning date was August 4th. Volleyball, football and Cross-Country regular seasons started August 18th. Girls tennis and Golf started August 11th. That gives Volleyball and Cross-Country coaches 14 days of practice before the start of the season, 18 days for football. That is including Saturdays and Sundays. Right now, softball coaches have 20 days, plus another 13 days with pitchers and catchers. Will the softball coaches want to give up that time?

What about other sports? If you move softball to the fall, then volleyball would probably be pushed to the spring. What are the Volleyball club teams going to do? Are they just going to roll over just because softball wants to change their schedule?

Lets step back and look at the much, much bigger picture.
 
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Currently my dd is playing three sports as an 8th grader. What will she do next year I have no idea but these decisions cannot be made in a softball vaccum. For most of us the world is not that simple.
The only thing that is for sure is the better your grades the better your options.
 
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I would like the OHSAA to stop making umpires be jewelry police.

"Don't wear it, then we won't have to Police it." LOL!:lmao:

Seriously! OHSAA has nothing to do with this Rule, That one belongs to NFHS who oversee the High School Rules, I know they claim it to be a Safety issue, not to have players wear jewelry.

If umpires don't enforce the Rule, then it becomes a Liability issue for us that offiiate the games. And I for one am never in the mood for being a party to a Lawsuit. :(

And Yes! As a coach I like the idea of a Fall High School Softball Season, but them Cheerleader Girls won't be able to participate. LOL!:lmao:
 
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Would anyone entertain the possibility of moving softball to the Fall without moving any girl's Fall sports to the Spring? If it really makes that much sense, then move it and leave the other sports alone. ;&
 
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Would anyone entertain the possibility of moving softball to the Fall without moving any girl's Fall sports to the Spring? If it really makes that much sense, then move it and leave the other sports alone. ;&

The small schools would not entertain the notion because there would not be enough girls to field both teams at the same time in the same season.
 
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