So we batted out of order, now what?

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In our game this week, I was late and didn't set the batting order my book keeper was distracted by the King of pitchers dads behind the backstop....OK excuses out of the way heres what happened.

#6 Batter goes up had a 1-1 count when my book tells me our #5 should be up, our #6 gets a hit and ends up at 2nd. #5 goes up to bat, at this point I'm thinking well lets just see what happens hahaha, after she had a 2-0 count the other team figures out what happened, the ump says I've never seen out of order get this far and he decides to just play it like it is. I doubt that's right, the other teams coach is a mom of a former D1 college pitcher and current varsity coach, this is 10u so she doesn't protest the umps call at all. So its dropped and we play on, I can't believe that's rule though, what should have the call been?

 

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I'm glad the other coach just let it go, that's what I would have done assuming it was an accident.

As for the rule I am of no value. Just had to type and up my post count.

 

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I think she has to say something before the #5 batter gets a pitch thrown. By not saying anything in time, you now have a new batting order with 5 and 6 transposed the rest of the game.

Had she brought it up after #6 batted but before #5 took a pitch, #6 would have been out.

 

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Once the next batter had been pitched to I belive the previous batter( #6 actually #5) is safe but the current batter would be out. Although I am know second guessing myself and say she would not be out and batter #7 should now come to bat and the only way she (#5) would have been out is after the at bat is complete for #5 and then the opposing team protests if she got a hit.

I have no doubt I just confused the issue even more but believe my second scenario is more correct than my first.

 

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No, that is pretty much how it is in the rulebooks. If the error is discovered after the first legal pitch to the next batter, or later, the play stands. There is no penalty. Play resumes and the correct batter merely misses their turn at bat.

 

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No, that is pretty much how it is in the rulebooks. If the error is discovered after the first legal pitch to the next batter, or later, the play stands. There is no penalty. Play resumes and the correct batter merely misses their turn at bat.

Agree this is how it would be.

 

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So then since two batters were out of order #5 should have been out? Might have to dig out my rule book.

 

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Almost correct. Once # 6 batted and reached base safely and 1 pitch (legal or illegal) was thrown to the next batter nothing can be done with # 6's turn at bat it became official and what you described was that # 5 was now in the box, which would be incorrect.... since # 6 batted and a pitch was thrown her turn at bat became legal, I know we skipped 5, but # 7 follows # 6 in the line-uo and therefore should be the batter in the box and since it was a 2-0 count on the batter when it was discovered all you do is put the correct batter in the box which would be #7 and coach if you realized that #6 was wrong while she was still in the box you could have corrected it yourself. Hope this helps. Sounds crazy but, if you can get away with it you could skip batters every inning as long as once the wrong batter hits you get a pitch thrown to the next person to make the previous batter legal.

 

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You're right. Actually #5 is now batting out of order since she lost her turn at bat. If it were #7 batting, then play on, but since it was batter #5 hitting after #6 that makes her ooo. If she hasn't completed her at bat, she can still be legally replaced by the correct (in this case) batter, #7.

 

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This is easy, Since the out of order batter #6 batted and 1 pitch was thrown to the next batter, her at bat is now legal, so the next batter to bat would be #7. Now #5 was already at the plate with a 2-0 count, so she goes and sits down #7 goes to the plate with a 2-0 count already on them..

 

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This is easy, Since the out of order batter #6 batted and 1 pitch was thrown to the next batter, her at bat is now legal, so the next batter to bat would be #7. Now #5 was already at the plate with a 2-0 count, so she goes and sits down #7 goes to the plate with a 2-0 count already on them..

Bing! We have a winner.

 

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OK that makes sense he let #5 bat, we left it that way the rest of the game. I actually thought #5 should be out and said so LOL. We were up 20 runs and I wouldn't have minded an easy out for the other kids. So 7 should have taken the 2-0 count over, #6 is safe and her play stands.

 

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Parma and wpauic have it right.

Batting out of order plays can take lots of twists and turns, depending on when it was discovered, who discovered it, if batters reached base, if outs were made on the play, if runners advanced during the at-bat and even depending on which sanctioning body your game is played under!

(There are some differences in penalization and enforcemnet between, say, high school softball and ASA. But, for the purposes of this play, those differences don't have any effect and can be disregarded.)

Uber, what you should have done when you first noticed the wrong batter was at the plate is asked for time and informed the umpire that you had the wrong batter at the plate. The proper batter could have replaced her, assuming her ball/strike count, without further penalty. That gets you off the hook from possibly having an out called if the improper batter completes her at-bat.

What the other coach should have done, if she realized the wrong batter was at the plate is...keep her mouth shut! If she appeals this before the at-bat is complete, you just put the right batter in the box. If she waits until the improper batter completes her at-bat, then appeals before the next pitch is thrown, the batter who should have batted is called out. Plus, any additional outs that were made against other runners on the play will stand.

Here's where the difference between high school and ASA rules might come into play. In ASA, if BOO is properly appealed and the improper batter made an out, that out stands. In high school, an out made by the improper batter is negated- it is superceded by the out called against the batter who should have batted.

So, in an ASA game, if the improper batter makes an out you get two outs on the play. In high school, you only get one.

 

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Just saw your last post....

If you have a batter bat out of turn, you SHOULD NOT retain that "improper" line-up throughout the rest of the game!

Once you get past the first BOO, the line-up reverts back to what is on the original line-up card. If you keep the wrong batter in the wrong spot next time up, you have ANOTHER batting out of order situation!

 

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Just saw your last post....

If you have a batter bat out of turn, you SHOULD NOT retain that "improper" line-up throughout the rest of the game!

Once you get past the first BOO, the line-up reverts back to what is on the original line-up card. If you keep the wrong batter in the wrong spot next time up, you have ANOTHER batting out of order situation!

I thought this was how it should work. You go back to proper line up, but I wasnt going to chime as the rest of the posts were saying different, thought I was wrong.

 

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The opposing coach messed up and open their mouth... Let the batter bat and then appeal before the next batter gets a pitch.

Loved the idea that you just kept doing the "new" line-up for the rest of the game...LOL.. and setting yourself up for a fall again with a bad batting order.



But, 10u. Let them have fun. Be different if it was a tournament with a championship on the line...

 

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The first batter that hit out of turn got a hit before I could say anything, after that I had no idea what I should do hahaha, never had a player hit out of turn in 7 years of coaching, so I was thinking I better wait for the other team to comment on it hahaha.

I know now though! Knowledge is power LOL

 

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Especially if you are on the OTHER side of the fence. Now, you know to stay quiet until the wrong batter hits...

I see that mind working overtime...LOL

 

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uber

Dont forget about the impropper batter- If the appeal is done correctly - after the impropper batter completes her turn at bat - the proper batter is declared out AND the improper batter is TAKEN OFF BASE. If the batter is out on the play the out does not stand because the out for batting out of order supersedes an out by the improper batter on the play. Any outs made on the play on other runners stand. Any runners not put out must return to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. NO runs may score on the play, the next batter is the player who follows in the batting order the player who was declared out for not batting in the proper order.

These are USSSA rules- since it wsa a 10-U I woud assume that it was prob USSSA as that is what most rec leagues play

i threw that out there because I didn't see anything about taking the improper batter off base. In your case the girl that hit the double should have been taken off base.

 

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10u? I would walk over to the other coach and quietly explain that you messed up on your batting order. Then offer to buy her and her team ice cream at the local DQ after the game! LOL! Gotta love 10u!