When Softball gets Ungly

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So I assume Okiedad will disappear from this board for a while?

 

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I'm trying to imagine what kind of slide into 2B breaks a kids leg ? Was it a force play ? Attempted steal ? so many questions still hanging out there -- Is jeff the parent of the injured player ? coach ? both ?

 

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who cares about the incident at this point! Is this little girl ok? Lets put things in perspective! SOMEONE taught that animal to be this way and hurt our little girls. I have been coaching for 18 years and let her deal with me. I will show her what it means to respect this sport. P.S. I am a kid lover and would die for them. Is there something wrong with this scenario? Do NOT make excuses! Right is right and Wrong is wrong. SOMEONE PUT THIS IN HER HEAD!!!! Any info you can give me re: her behavior/parents I would love to help them if I can. NOW GET ON WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL GAme

 

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Without a detailed description of the play, I will not make a judgement. What I can say is that this public forum is not the place to vilify a 12 or 13 yo young lady. IMO, The initial post fishing for responses is questionable itself. I do applaud Jeff for staying out of the discussion to this point.

 

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This is getting ridiculous...no explanation of the incident or accident. Kinda like the threads about that guy who bounces the checks. If your gonna post here, please describe what you saw, please...

To be fair, Jeff only asked that if you saw something, call him and explain yourself. I don't think the intent was to have people speculate openly about it.

Prayers to the young lady on a complete and speedy recovery.

 

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Without a detailed description of the play, I will not make a judgement. What I can say is that this public forum is not the place to vilify a 12 or 13 yo young lady. IMO, The initial post fishing for responses is questionable itself. I do applaud Jeff for staying out of the discussion to this point.

Agreed..... deleted my last post. After reading it back to myself it just looked and sounded tacky. Best wishes for your girl Jeff.

 

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As much of a risk as it can be to be involved with slander, it sure would be nice to know the person's name to avoid adding to your team for fear this type of behavior would continue. I won't ask specifically for the name of the player who was involved in this incident. However, I would like to know the name of the runner who went from 1B to 2B on this play.
Agreeing with several others, there is no place in this sport for this type of behavior and I think any self respecting coach would never tolerate or condone this type of behavior.
My heart goes out to the poor young girl who was injured. Sounds like she is an innocent victim. I feel for her, because obv her season is over & that team had some promise to represent Ohio & go deep at Nationals.

 

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Got to love the PC police.



how about them browns?

 

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Just got threatened with Legal action..... Any Lawyers out there?? Last I checked, I was the one with medical bills and a dd with a Broken Leg. I never asked for people to post, I asked for PMs and Phone calls.

Jeff

 

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Not sure what legal grounds there would be here.

 

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This is getting ridiculous...no explanation of the incident or accident. Kinda like the threads about that guy who bounces the checks. If your gonna post here, please describe what you saw, please...

I really don't feel there needs to be an explanation. He is asking for information from anyone who seen the incident. If you didn't see it and are not involved then there is no need to comment. I completely understand why he posted, this is his daughter and if anyone who seen this incident has information they should provide it to him. My heart goes out to Jeff's family and our family is wishing Avrey a speedy recovery.

 

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Legal action, what a joke. All you did was ask for any eye witness accounts of the incident, with PRIVATE responses. Of course, those sleezebag lawyers today will sue over anything. Sorry to say I heard of the incident, but did not witness it or you would have heard from me, lawyers or not. I hope your daughter is going to be OK without any lasting affects. My sincere wishes that you and your family get through this.

 

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Just got threatened with Legal action..... Any Lawyers out there?? Last I checked, I was the one with medical bills and a dd with a Broken Leg. I never asked for people to post, I asked for PMs and Phone calls.

Jeff

Glad you got the Message,was watching the **** float to the top in support of you .Note: I had sent a apology and offered prayers for Avery two hrs before you decided to start this thread and was enjoying the **** listed above tear my dd apart. so what was your true motive.As far as the accident at second that you continue to call a incident ,she slide thru the bag Note: bags are rounded at top to prevent injury to the slider and crossed legs with Avery my dd has the bruises to prove it ,yes she did have adreniline packed celebration after until she found out she was hurt. She started crying as you became judge,jury ,and executioner,yelling that she did it on purpose and calling her a butch,Our late coach Stood at third and left my dd to cry and be berated by you,since your buddies it didn't suprise me.The death threats toward me and my family as you walked by were course for legal action in themselves.My dd will continue to play the game and since she read most of the posts that were written she knows of the classless individuals that are out there and on here.Also i would like to thank the decent folks that have shown support fo us, including some Thunder people.Jeff your slanderous and cold heart will be you downfall And im doing everything in my power to make it happen.

 

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Time to shut this down

 

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Oh my gosh, Paul. Really? Adrenaline packed celebration? It was quite a bit more than that and it wasn't the first time it happened in that game. Earlier, when we had a girl attempt to steal home on a passed ball, after your DD made the play on our girl, she stood up over that player that was still laying on the ground (after a hard collision), pumping her arms and yelling at her to "stay off my plate" I was sitting right behind the backstop and saw/heard it.

Later, with the collision with Avrey, your DD came in hard, fast, with her leg/cleat raised. It was apparent that the intent was to take out whoever was covering the bag and be safe. Do I think she intended to break her leg, and even more specifically, Avrey's leg? No, I really don't believe that. But I do believe she intended to take out a player - not injure, but take out in a way so as to be safe - but there are other ways to be taught to slide into a bag and be safe without intending to take out the defensive player. Regardless - what was the most upsetting part, IMO, was that afterward, while Avrey was laying on the ground, rolling around, crying in pain loud enough that I could hear her behind the backstop at home, your DD came off the bag, stood over her and fist/chest pumped while saying something (but I could not hear what).

Also, your DD was never called BUTCH. She was told that it was BUSH league. Your lives were not threatened - you were simply told to stay far, far away as we had to transport Avrey past you and comments began from your side. I know what was said because my husband and I were helping stabilize and transport Avrey to the gates.

Incidentally, if you are talking about my PM to you when you mention the support that you have received even from Thunder parents....I would like for you to read it again. I did send you an email letting you know that I have compassion for all of the consequences and emotions that your DD has to try to sort out - it is a LOT for a 12/13 year old to handle. And I did see her sobbing after the incident in what I assumed to be remorse. In my PM, however, I only mentioned having sympathy for your DD - not you or your family - and I started by saying I did not want to discuss the incident or argue over it. I believe you are completely in the wrong on this one, which is why I did not want to discuss the incident.

However, I do continue to hope that your DD is able to sort through all of this. I feel that her actions in this game (even before this incident) were directly related to how you have done nothing but follow around and knock Thunder Elite for the past year. The continual posts you have made against us are well known on OFC. But Maybe this fact isn't known.... you practically followed us around all winter/spring long when your DD was not playing - you watched our games, laughing and even clapping at mistakes made by our girls on more than one occasion - all while sitting on our side or within our parents, practically taunting us all year long and you only use the excuse that "I cheer for the underdog." Many times you brought your DD along with you. What kind of example do you think this teaches her? I believe you have pumped so much **** into your DDs head about us, that it eventually lead to her so-called "adrenaline-pumped celebrations" and actions on the field. I feel that ultimately she is paying the price for the trash that you pumped her head with. My compassion for her and concern is that she is able to deal with all this mess, including sorting out what are truly her own feelings, versus what is coming from you.

And, quite frankly, IMO you should be shielding your DD from all of the mess here on OFC - not showing her the posts and continuing to pump her head full of garbage....

 

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Oh my gosh, Paul. Really? Adrenaline packed celebration? It was quite a bit more than that and it wasn't the first time it happened in that game. Earlier, when we had a girl attempt to steal home on a passed ball, after your DD made the play on our girl, she stood up over that player that was still laying on the ground (after a hard collision), pumping her arms and yelling at her to "stay off my plate" I was sitting right behind the backstop and saw/heard it.

Later, with the collision with Avrey, your DD came in hard, fast, with her leg/cleat raised. It was apparent that the intent was to take out whoever was covering the bag and be safe. Do I think she intended to break her leg, and even more specifically, Avrey's leg? No, I really don't believe that. But I do believe she intended to take out a player - not injure, but take out in a way so as to be safe - but there are other ways to be taught to slide into a bag and be safe without intending to take out the defensive player. Regardless - what was the most upsetting part, IMO, was that afterward, while Avrey was laying on the ground, rolling around, crying in pain loud enough that I could hear her behind the backstop at home, your DD came off the bag, stood over her and fist/chest pumped while saying something (but I could not hear what).

Also, your DD was never called BUTCH. She was told that it was BUSH league. Your lives were not threatened - you were simply told to stay far, far away as we had to transport Avrey past you and comments began from your side. I know what was said because my husband and I were helping stabilize and transport Avrey to the gates.

Incidentally, if you are talking about my PM to you when you mention the support that you have received even from Thunder parents....I would like for you to read it again. I did send you an email letting you know that I have compassion for all of the consequences and emotions that your DD has to try to sort out - it is a LOT for a 12/13 year old to handle. And I did see her sobbing after the incident in what I assumed to be remorse. In my PM, however, I only mentioned having sympathy for your DD - not you or your family - and I started by saying I did not want to discuss the incident or argue over it. I believe you are completely in the wrong on this one, which is why I did not want to discuss the incident.

However, I do continue to hope that your DD is able to sort through all of this. I feel that her actions in this game (even before this incident) were directly related to how you have done nothing but follow around and knock Thunder Elite for the past year. The continual posts you have made against us are well known on OFC. But Maybe this fact isn't known.... you practically followed us around all winter/spring long when your DD was not playing - you watched our games, laughing and even clapping at mistakes made by our girls on more than one occasion - all while sitting on our side or within our parents, practically taunting us all year long and you only use the excuse that "I cheer for the underdog." Many times you brought your DD along with you. What kind of example do you think this teaches her? I believe you have pumped so much **** into your DDs head about us, that it eventually lead to her so-called "adrenaline-pumped celebrations" and actions on the field. I feel that ultimately she is paying the price for the trash that you pumped her head with. My compassion for her and concern is that she is able to deal with all this mess, including sorting out what are truly her own feelings, versus what is coming from you.

And, quite frankly, IMO you should be shielding your DD from all of the mess here on OFC - not showing her the posts and continuing to pump her head full of garbage....

Sounds like this guy needs professional help- attending rival teams games just to celebrate any mistake they make? this guy has an unhealthy obsession

 

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wow.

 

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And unfortunately what he teaches his DD is going to give her a bad wrap and then who will she play for. I'm sure there will be a coach who will take her as reading all over ofc catchers are needed every where, but maybe this will open her eyes and show her the right way to play the game 100% under control and safe.Respecting all players and not let the emotions get to her to the point where she embarrasses her organization, coaches, teammates, and family. There is no place for showing up other players intentional or not. Make the play like you've done it a hundred times before, celebrate with your teammates, the game isn't about you it will be played whether you're there or not. I tell my DD play for the love of the game and respect all players, coaches, parents and umpires. Too many players play with a chip on their shoulder for one reason or the other 9/10 the parents are behind it.

The Fear Factor family hopes Avery has a speedy recovery.

 

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Oh my gosh, Paul. Really? Adrenaline packed celebration? It was quite a bit more than that and it wasn't the first time it happened in that game. Earlier, when we had a girl attempt to steal home on a passed ball, after your DD made the play on our girl, she stood up over that player that was still laying on the ground (after a hard collision), pumping her arms and yelling at her to "stay off my plate" I was sitting right behind the backstop and saw/heard it.

Later, with the collision with Avrey, your DD came in hard, fast, with her leg/cleat raised. It was apparent that the intent was to take out whoever was covering the bag and be safe. Do I think she intended to break her leg, and even more specifically, Avrey's leg? No, I really don't believe that. But I do believe she intended to take out a player - not injure, but take out in a way so as to be safe - but there are other ways to be taught to slide into a bag and be safe without intending to take out the defensive player. Regardless - what was the most upsetting part, IMO, was that afterward, while Avrey was laying on the ground, rolling around, crying in pain loud enough that I could hear her behind the backstop at home, your DD came off the bag, stood over her and fist/chest pumped while saying something (but I could not hear what).

Also, your DD was never called BUTCH. She was told that it was BUSH league. Your lives were not threatened - you were simply told to stay far, far away as we had to transport Avrey past you and comments began from your side. I know what was said because my husband and I were helping stabilize and transport Avrey to the gates.

Incidentally, if you are talking about my PM to you when you mention the support that you have received even from Thunder parents....I would like for you to read it again. I did send you an email letting you know that I have compassion for all of the consequences and emotions that your DD has to try to sort out - it is a LOT for a 12/13 year old to handle. And I did see her sobbing after the incident in what I assumed to be remorse. In my PM, however, I only mentioned having sympathy for your DD - not you or your family - and I started by saying I did not want to discuss the incident or argue over it. I believe you are completely in the wrong on this one, which is why I did not want to discuss the incident.

However, I do continue to hope that your DD is able to sort through all of this. I feel that her actions in this game (even before this incident) were directly related to how you have done nothing but follow around and knock Thunder Elite for the past year. The continual posts you have made against us are well known on OFC. But Maybe this fact isn't known.... you practically followed us around all winter/spring long when your DD was not playing - you watched our games, laughing and even clapping at mistakes made by our girls on more than one occasion - all while sitting on our side or within our parents, practically taunting us all year long and you only use the excuse that "I cheer for the underdog." Many times you brought your DD along with you. What kind of example do you think this teaches her? I believe you have pumped so much **** into your DDs head about us, that it eventually lead to her so-called "adrenaline-pumped celebrations" and actions on the field. I feel that ultimately she is paying the price for the trash that you pumped her head with. My compassion for her and concern is that she is able to deal with all this mess, including sorting out what are truly her own feelings, versus what is coming from you.

And, quite frankly, IMO you should be shielding your DD from all of the mess here on OFC - not showing her the posts and continuing to pump her head full of garbage....

I have read this post twice pinkys mom and I got to say im guilty of stirring a pot or too at the 12u ...... but after reading your post you made some really great points .... that hit home ..... this is a great sport and theses are all great kids and as a adult we need to be careful how we reflect opinions on to are youth ...... hats off to a great post

 

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Yeah this should be Locked.....