Is this counted as an error?

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Right fielder runs up on a ball hit to shallow right and the ball bounces under her glove and rolls to the fence. However, the same girl chases the ball down at the fence and throws to third and the batter is tagged out coming into the base. Is it an error since the ball got by the fielder when it should have been caught or is it not an error as the girl redeemed herself by getting the ball to third for the out on the same play and no other runners were on base to advance or score? ?:

 

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Sounds like a single, an error to reach second, and a 9-5 putout going into third.

 

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Based on the description of the play, I would agree with Lewred.

The principle of scoring errors (in my words) is to give an error if it cost a base. In this case, it sounds as if the ball was not catchable, but that a routine fielding play would have held the batter to a single.

Just because things end well does not mean that there was not a chargable error.

 

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Lewred:

Given the statement in the original post that the ball "should have been caught", it can't be a single.

The ATEC scoring guide actually says that there is no error:

"m - No error is charged if an out is made on that immediate play, even if it changes the option of getting a lead out to getting an out behind the lead"

 

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E-9

9-5 assist for rightfielder, put-out third baseman

 

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Thanks guys. The best part of the play was the look on the face of the base runner's coach. Nobody expected this 14U girl who was about 5'3" to rifle a perfect throw to the glove of the 3rd baseman from a 200 ft. right field fence. ?8)

 

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I agree to look at the ATEC scoring guide. If the RF made a "greater than normal effort" to get to the ball in the first place, no error is charged to the fielder. I would have scored it a single. No error on the play. In addition to the ATEC guide, I try to watch how MLB scores.

 

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Lewred:

Given the statement in the original post that the ball "should have been caught", it can't be a single.

The ATEC scoring guide actually says that there is no error:

"m - No error is charged if an out is made on that immediate play, even if it changes the option of getting a lead out to getting an out behind the lead"

No out is charged on that "immediate" play. You have to account for every base. Are you going to give her a double and thrown out at third??

I understand the post to read the RF should not have let it get by her after it hit the ground. I could be wrong. Now if it was a running effort that caused her to get close and miss the ball, then I would agree with a double and a 9-5 putout and no error.

I guess you had to actually see it to determine that.

 

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Lewred:

Given the statement in the original post that the ball "should have been caught", it can't be a single.

The ATEC scoring guide actually says that there is no error:

"m - No error is charged if an out is made on that immediate play, even if it changes the option of getting a lead out to getting an out behind the lead"

No out is charged on that "immediate" play. You have to account for every base. Are you going to give her a double and thrown out at third??

I understand the post to read the RF should not have let it get by her after it hit the ground. I could be wrong. Now if it was a running effort that caused her to get close and miss the ball, then I would agree with a double and a 9-5 putout and no error.

I guess you had to actually see it to determine that.

 

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cgs,

No out is charged on that "immediate" play. You have to account for every base. Are you going to give her a double and thrown out at third??

I understand the post to read the RF should not have let it get by her after it hit the ground. I could be wrong. Now if it was a running effort that caused her to get close and miss the ball, then I would agree with a double and a 9-5 putout and no error.

I guess you had to actually see it to determine that.

 

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IMHO Lewred is correct. In CGS statement that the
(immediate play)decides, the immediate play is at first and as Lewred said each base has to be accountted for so it becomes a single then E-9 for allowing the runner to reach secomd then a 9-5 put out

 

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Thanks guys. I'm always happy to stand corrected. And your explanation solves a problem that I was having, namely how to score the batter.

 

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On the effort made to field the ball when running, she was running up quickly as the ball hit the ground several feet in front of her and bounced low under the glove she had at about knee level. Could not tell if it was an unusual bounce or just misjudged by the fielder. Does this figure into the equation?

 

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wow has this caused a lot of discussion. My 2 cents is

Since the ball fell in with no contact it would be a single , error on the misplay under the glove and 9 to 5 assist to put out at third base.

that is what my thoughts are