What is an error to you ?

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So in previous years when I was score keeping , if you flubbed a simple grounder Igave you an error. If you dove for a ball and it came out of or tipped off your glove, I woul not give you an error as it was not a routine play. Is this a common theory ?
What if you just plain miss a ball say between your legs, is this always an error ?
Is there any doubt you give a pitcher ? Does same rules apply to them as they apply to infielders ?

 

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There are scoring guides out there like ATEC, but to me a lot of common sense can be applied to most situations. Yes, a ground ball that goes underneath a fielder's legs and allows a runner to get to 1B or to advance an extra base is always an error. Yes, if you dive for a ball and don't come up with it, that's almost always going to be a hit, while a routine play should be an error. One that's a little hard for some people to understand (especially pitcher's parents!) is the pop up or fly ball that falls in between fielders that should have been caught, but no one got a glove on it ... that's a hit, not an error. Mental errors are not physical errors ... like that situation, or a fielder failing to cover a base and the ball being eaten instead of throwing it away. As for your question about pitchers ... I wouldn't say they are given the benefit of the doubt ... but you do have to take into consideration that a very hard hit ball that perhaps goes off of an infielder's glove is often ruled a hit, and the pitcher is both standing very close to the batter and given that she has just completed her pitch, she usually has less time to react to such a hit than anyone else.

 

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First question I ask is. Does it involve my daughter? If she was the hitter,no error charged.

if she was the fielder,no error scored as a hit.
if she wasn't involved what coach said.;&

 

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There are scoring guides out there like ATEC, but to me a lot of common sense can be applied to most situations. Yes, a ground ball that goes underneath a fielder's legs and allows a runner to get to 1B or to advance an extra base is always an error. Yes, if you dive for a ball and don't come up with it, that's almost always going to be a hit, while a routine play should be an error. One that's a little hard for some people to understand (especially pitcher's parents!) is the pop up or fly ball that falls in between fielders that should have been caught, but no one got a glove on it ... that's a hit, not an error. Mental errors are not physical errors ... like that situation, or a fielder failing to cover a base and the ball being eaten instead of throwing it away. As for your question about pitchers ... I wouldn't say they are given the benefit of the doubt ... but you do have to take into consideration that a very hard hit ball that perhaps goes off of an infielder's glove is often ruled a hit, and the pitcher is both standing very close to the batter and given that she has just completed her pitch, she usually has less time to react to such a hit than anyone else.

Ditto!

 

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If you are going to be a score keeper you are just going to have to follow the scoring guidelines set up.

Personally I think all of these should be errors but I do not think they get scored as such:

- misjudged ball and fielder does not get to it (if no contact no error I believe)
- here is a small list of mistakes that should be errors
- OF does not throw to lead base
- second base covering 1st on a bunt and gets there late (girl safe)
- any time you get a girl in a pickle and do not get an out
- catch a girl off a base and a bad throw or dropped ball and she is not out (but does not advance)
- any delay steal should be an error on catcher (just lazy or poor play IMO, if she is off you run at her like the water boy.....simple and then throw where she goes)
- any time a hitter gets a pitch they can drive on an 0-2 count......come on pitcher be better than that
- girl on 3rd an no outs and batter can not hit a ground ball to 2nd, or get a bunt down (bunting at 10U and 12U....at 14U and above bunting rarely gets them in)
- bunt goes down and fielder picks ball up with mitt (whether safe or not they should get an error......OK my pet peeve but seriously)

 

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- any time a hitter gets a pitch they can drive on an 0-2 count......come on pitcher be better than that

My dd had a perfect game going and in the 7th inning hit the number 9 batter with an 0-2 count.........I think that qualifies too. :/

 

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My dd had a perfect game going and in the 7th inning hit the number 9 batter with an 0-2 count.........I think that qualifies too. :/

Did she at least finish with a No hitter?

 

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My dd had a perfect game going and in the 7th inning hit the number 9 batter with an 0-2 count.........I think that qualifies too. :/

While that is boneheaded I do not mind it as much as mental mistakes.

I like the 0-2 count in the eyes, on the firsts, or off the black outside. In short anything but an actual strike. Hitting one stinks but smarter than over the middle. At least that is only 1 base. Over the middle tends to be extra bases. Especially at 0-2 because the batter is in swing mode at that point.

 

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Did she at least finish with a No hitter?

Thankfully, yes. That was the only runner to reach base.

 

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So in previous years when I was score keeping , if you flubbed a simple grounder Igave you an error. If you dove for a ball and it came out of or tipped off your glove, I woul not give you an error as it was not a routine play. Is this a common theory ?
What if you just plain miss a ball say between your legs, is this always an error ?
Is there any doubt you give a pitcher ? Does same rules apply to them as they apply to infielders ?

Are you thinking or the play in center field against Mentor?

 

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...I like the 0-2 count in the eyes,...

In the eyes? Seriously?

 

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What is an error?......

Getting married more than once? Lol.... joking.... been married 14 yrs. now, its been the greatest 5 years of my life. :lmao:;&
If my wife had an account on here, I'd just sit with my tail between my legs, but like I always say, I'm the man of my house.... when my wife's not there!

 

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Are you thinking or the play in center field against Mentor?

I am just wondering becasue this weekend, a few times i would have scored it differently. Yes the ball in centerfield was one of them, 5 ft from the fence, centerfielder dives and cant quite make the catch, i would give the girl a hit, even if it wasnt my daughter....lol

sPARTANSsd.....I agree alot of those items are "mistakes"...... to me i hate scoring errors as it takes too much away from the batters.....

 

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I've scored for years and I find that if I have to ask myself if it was an error it generally is.

 

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Hitter23 would be scored as an error as his parents had a fielders choice and still allowed him to be born!

The least they could have done was put him in a reed basket like they did Moses's and set him a drift in the Miami River!

 

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I think it would be interesting to keep track of mental mistakes ... kind of like turnovers in football ... usually the team that makes the least of those is going to win ... my biggest 3 gripes ...

* Fielders ... letting catchable balls between fielders drop because no one takes charge
* Runners ... hesitating or turning around when they are forced to run
* Pitchers ... grooving those 0-2 pitches as mentioned above ... the pitcher deserves what happens to them (i.e., hits), but the rest of the team doesn't!

P.S. Backstop ... I am sure they meant eye-level (high) pitches, not in the eyes ...

 

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I kinda got the OFC backlash for this one last time (by a couple of people in this thread) and guess I'm just a gluton for punishment. I view the stats as the coaches best tool for seeing what is really going on. I know they are used (especially at the older levels) to compare players from team to team so you MUST stay with the ATEC guidelines as much as possible. However, I want to know what's going on with our girls on the field and at the plate. Some of the ATEC stuff is just frustrating and not at all helpful. For example, I just have a complete block over giving the catcher a put out because the batter/runner accidentally dropped their bat on the bunted ball in fair territory. I want to know how many people my catcher put out, not how many people made outs and the only thing the catcher did was she happended to be the closest fielder.
So... back to the original post: "What's an error to me?" Is a mental error an error in my book. You betcha. SS cleanly fields a ball right at her and tosses the ball to the empty bag at second when their was nobody on; ERROR. I feel the same for the batter as well. Should the batter really get credit for a hit when she hit a ball right at the SS and the SS fielded it cleanly and would have easily made the play at 1B? At best it would have been an FC for the batter but you can't put FC when the only reason it was a choice was because of a mental error. Error to the SS and OE for the batter. JMHO.

 

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TR ... I get that one ... I could even rationalize that it's an error because the SS missed first base (by a lot) with her throw ... but that shouldn't happen more than once a season or so, or you have the wrong person playing SS! The catcher getting the putout on the play you described above is admittedly a little screwy but one principle of scoring is that every play has to have a putout. And just remember that the catcher is also getting a putout on every strikeout she catches as well.

 

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So in previous years when I was score keeping , if you flubbed a simple grounder Igave you an error. If you dove for a ball and it came out of or tipped off your glove, I woul not give you an error as it was not a routine play. Is this a common theory ?
"Ordinary effort" is the term used in scoring guides for determining whether it is an error or not. Official baseball rules further qualifies it as being for the level of play (e.g. 8U rec vs 18-Gold travel). I haven't seen that specified in any softball scoring guides, but I feel it is an important consideration.

What if you just plain miss a ball say between your legs, is this always an error ?
Not always - errors are not charged if the ball was hit too hard to be fielded with ordinary effort or if the ball took an unnatural bounce (e.g. ball scoots flat instead of expected bounce up).

Is there any doubt you give a pitcher ? Does same rules apply to them as they apply to infielders ?

Softball scoring guides give more leeway to pitchers due to them being so close and not being as ready after throwing a pitch to field a batted ball as other fielders.

ATEC: w - Consider the distance of the mound from the plate and what the pitcher's primary duty is. If she mishandles a sharply batted ball, do not credit her with an error. You may credit her with an error on a mishandled slow roller, bunt, or wild throw.

NCAA SECTION 22?NO ERROR IS CHARGED
No error is charged to a fielder in the following situations:
14.22.12 When a pitcher mishandles a sharply batted ball. Wild throws and the mishandling of routine ground balls and bunts are reason for charging the pitcher with an error.

 

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http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Softball/softball%20easy%20print%20stats%20manual.pdf