Hitting and Hitters Discussion Reverse Hand Swing

[CARDS]

I agree. The swing starts from the ground up. The hip will start with the hands very close as you stated. Its a fraction of time. What the "Elvis" move is teaching to lunge your hips way in front of your hands. In the video, SL even talks about how the hands are still back after the Elvis move. That's simply wrong. I don't think he will post stats. If I was betting, I guess she is a strong hitter but lacks power. Just my opinion.

Those that know SL knows that Casey is a hard working accomplished hitter.
Power is not just how many HRs a lady hits... SLG% hitting DBL/Triples and just having the ability to hit the ball through the defense with improved ball velocity off the bat is honestly where most of the young ladies will see results from the training, drills and reps to increase their power not with hitting 250ft HR.

My DD played in some of the best tournaments in the country, including camps and combines. In high school she played in the GMC with two decent D1 playoff runs facing many D1 committed pitchers between the GMC/GWOC etc. as well as her travel game. So she was blessed to have the opportunity to see the best talent available on her way to college in travel ball and in HS ball.

In all of these games I can only recall a very small percentage of hitters that I would consider a "true" Home Run type of power hitter that had an BA to go with it. I would say the same is true in watching the college game at various levels as well over the years.

Now, there were a lot of Great hitters we faced over the years including: slappers/bunters but; if ones measure of success is comparing them to Bustos or any other major league power hitter you will be disappointed. (There are just not that many out there and the ones I have seen have a variety of hitting approaches) However; most have the same basic foundation.

The main thing to take away from SL information I think is to continue to look for tools or drills that keep it fresh for the hitter while still providing opportunity for the lady to grow her skills and keep it fun. As the ladies grow they need additional challenges and drills and workouts to improve their skills. SL video will not hurt any lady as they continue on their softball journey as many have used it in the past and still use it today.

 

[manitoudan]

Every time this thread elevated out of the fecal material someone keeps dragging it back thru . Sad really .

 

[Lester]

since everyone else on here knows everyone... just who is Apogee? A case of semantics is going on here in many cases... or close enough to call them similar... but who is this masked man/woman?

Telephone tough guy... maybe??

And Howard never takes credit unless justified or proven (same thing to me). Projecting it on a volunteer that won't take payment or someone else's credit is a bad thing IMO. Some kind of issue exists in the mess and me reading it just as bad. Glad I'm not on OFC much anymore. Will the real Slim Shady announce their name, affiliation, expertise, and the like to help us understand credentials. If it's been posted already, that's my mistake. I lost that detail in all this BS.

 

[BouldersDad]

I said it earlier I have never seen a hitting thread that diddnt turn into a quagmire. People who go to their particular HI will for the most part defend that style to the death. I honestly think that hitting could be as heated as politics or religion as this thread proves. Use common sense use what you like and gives you results. Take what you hear from anyone with a grain of salt until it can be proven. Just because people do instruction. It does not mean that Instruction is right for your dd. And for the most part successful hitters are a combination of more than one HI. They take a little from here and a little from there put it together and find what works.

Also there are students and parents that pit one instructor against another. By going to HI after HI when they do not get the results they want fast enough. It is not my self or any other HI that makes kids better it is the work they put in after Instruction is given. Trust me I wish I had a magical pill I could give a kid to create a great swing. It takes sweat, determination, consistency and a drive to become a great hitter.

I cannot tell you the amount of kids that come thru my door with the intention of being the next big stick. Listen intently. Focus as they have never focused before. And make huge leaps in their hitting ability in the first few weeks. Only to start getting that glaze in their eyes start making excuses as to why a certain homework assignment was not accomplished then start missing lessons and then then vanish entirely. And then strangely enough I will go to a game see the kid 6 months later and she looks exactly as she did the first time I saw her and listen to someone telling me she says that she goes to you for hitting. And have to explain to them..... that is not my swing.

A poster mentioned earlier that there are only so many kids out there that succeed and go to the D1 level and that is correct. One of the biggest reasons there is such a huge discrepancy in the amount we work with vs the amount of d1 success is work ethic from the kids we work with, If you want to be a D1 stick you first have to have the god given natural ability. Secondly you have to have almost a fanatical view About your work ethic. 90% of the kids I work with miss out on both of those.

If someone does not Make D1 but still plays ball in college at a lower level does it mean we as instructors have failed? I would like to think not. God knows the amount of kids people like Carrier and Jenkins have put into college. My self I would like to think I am the next generation in line behind those guys saving family's money. I only have 40 some kids that are playing in or have played in college and only 5 of that 40 are D1 and all are mid major but 1 and she started at the MM level. It would be interesting to see what H and JJ have accomplished. I bet the dollar amount they have saved families is staggering.

 

[ApogeeDemon]

RP-- The hips are only a fraction ahead of the hands. In the elvis move, I didn't like that the hips are a mile in front. I also thought her load into toe touch needed more weight transfer. BD is correct. You have to have god given talent. As he stated, we all are on the same team. Trying to improve players. I think that SL is great for trying to make his daughter better. That's special. So we don't agree on one aspect of the swing. No bigdeal. The Earth prolly wont stop spinning because of girls fastpitch hitting instruction. I think BD is able to see what works and what doesn't and changes aspects. I think its cool to do that. I now teach girls to try and keep their back elbows up. I use to teach it more pointed down. Pat Murphy explained to me why he felt its correct and I agreed. I change too. I just noticed that you often get attacked if you don't say "yup, that's right!"

 

[Westler33]

I agree Bdad and I think what Howard does is fantastic and charges kids $0.00 for his time that in itself is priceless. Like I said before keep on teaching this great game Howard you are one of the greats to us and many many others!

 

[Westler33]

I agree that great hitters are born but how many do you consider great if they where all that way then there would be no such thing as a great hitter. There are bad hitters good hitters and great hitters and if you help any of them get better then you are doing this sport well no matter what level they end up playing in college or if they even play in college or not if you improve their game and make a kid feel better about themselves that's great in my eyes.

 

[ApogeeDemon]

I finally got this part of the forum cookin. Pretty cool.

 

[BouldersDad]

This is the only Natural I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlNLhuxeDJQ

 

[ApogeeDemon]

except Lorenzo Cain.

 

[Ri-domination]

The Sandlot classic scene: http://youtu.be/4uc7beYpGXM

Just trying to have a friendly conversation

 

[ApogeeDemon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izyVEzlIBpk

 

[dad4sports]

ApogeeDemon...as I read through your posts on this thread, outside of attacking people and what they may or may not do, what is your point of coming onto this site?

As there are many people that put time/effort to help others be better player, I'm not sure why you feel you have to attack what or how they do things OR have to point out why you think its wrong or incorrect? As you have state many times, your just voicing your opinion, but what credentials do you have regarding this sport that makes you think you have the ability to critique anyone else's styles? Are you a coach, a parent, an instructor or just a parent that thinks they know everything?

If your sole purpose is to come on this site just to be a Richard, then please go somewhere else. Debate is fine, but you take it to a next level always criticizing others. I'm sure others would love to know what "real" qualifications you have because maybe people would take you more serious. But if your reply is going to be elite gold farmers league blah blah blah..then save it.

 

[Lester]

ApogeeDemon...as I read through your posts on this thread, outside of attacking people and what they may or may not do, what is your point of coming onto this site?

As there are many people that put time/effort to help others be better player, I'm not sure why you feel you have to attack what or how they do things OR have to point out why you think its wrong or incorrect? As you have state many times, your just voicing your opinion, but what credentials do you have regarding this sport that makes you think you have the ability to critique anyone else's styles? Are you a coach, a parent, an instructor or just a parent that thinks they know everything?

If your sole purpose is to come on this site just to be a Richard, then please go somewhere else. Debate is fine, but you take it to a next level always criticizing others. I'm sure others would love to know what "real" qualifications you have because maybe people would take you more serious. But if your reply is going to be elite gold farmers league blah blah blah..then save it.

and for all the calling out he's done here... he's yet to answer my questions on this very topic.

 

[straightleg]

Lower half move
Hips lead and Elvis move



Wonder what yanks the upper body and hands...hmmmmmmmm


Elvis move by jeter




SL

 

[ApogeeDemon]

[video=youtube;McVrac2lYgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVrac2lYgI[/video]


No Elvis move---Future Hall of Famer......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[3ballbratz]

ApogeeDemon...as I read through your posts on this thread, outside of attacking people and what they may or may not do, what is your point of coming onto this site?

As there are many people that put time/effort to help others be better player, I'm not sure why you feel you have to attack what or how they do things OR have to point out why you think its wrong or incorrect? As you have state many times, your just voicing your opinion, but what credentials do you have regarding this sport that makes you think you have the ability to critique anyone else's styles? Are you a coach, a parent, an instructor or just a parent that thinks they know everything?

If your sole purpose is to come on this site just to be a Richard, then please go somewhere else. Debate is fine, but you take it to a next level always criticizing others. I'm sure others would love to know what "real" qualifications you have because maybe people would take you more serious. But if your reply is going to be elite gold farmers league blah blah blah..then save it.

AMEN !!!!! My eyes hurt from reading all the bs. I swear its just like watching Judge Judy. Lol. Listening to a lady who has zero credentials and absolutely no idea what she is talking about, and then does nothing but criticize others.

 

[tjsmize3]

Wonder what yanks the upper body and hands...hmmmmmmmm...

Obviously there are about 17 of us on here that all realize that the hip MUST lead the hands. If anyone wants to know why, simply sit on a swivel chair or a bar stool with your feet off of the ground and swing a baseball bat. The hips MUST be fired early enough and forcefully enough to counteract the backwards momentum of the swing. It's just simple physics. And where is this timing issue coming from between the hips firing and hands moving forward? For the exact same reason you want to pull a rubber band farther back to get more forward momentum I would think if anything, it would be better to delay the hands from moving forward as late as possible in relation to the hips so long as they all meet at the ball... no ??? Look at post #23. The top hitter in the two posted vids show a girl who's hips are WAY ahead of her hands... bet she still jacked the ball over the fence! Also, just because Cabrera does not do the Elvis move with his feet watch his hips and his hands. His hips are going forward immediately in the video (watch front belt loop). His hands move down a little as he gets his back elbow into connection early, but there is no real forward movement of the hands until about 4-5 sec (look at the background in relation to the hands). Again, he delays forward momentum of the hands until the hips have rotated significantly.

 

[Lenski65]

Watch from 1:30
[video=youtube;0CtH-0mVp20]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CtH-0mVp20[/video]

 

[Lasers 04 Coach Mike]

[video=youtube;McVrac2lYgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVrac2lYgI[/video]


No Elvis move---Future Hall of Famer......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Actually he has already reached toe touch and almost at heal plant. Not showing the complete swing is a little deceiving. Scrub the first couple of frames and you can see the heal moving down to heel plant.