Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Is this a legal motion?

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Sorry to regurgitate this thread.... BUT I'm at the Rebel Games in Kissimmee, and a DI college pitcher from a "far west" team was called for at least 2 illegal pitches yesterday evening. It was the EXACT motion discussed in this thread. The leap that produces two holes (because of not dragging during the stride), and a little "swipe" of the trailing foot at the end (at release). The 1st base umpire was demonstrating.

AT LAST! Refreshing that someone actually called it!! I would have shot video, but it's already been shown many times in this thread. The only question... are Ohio pitching coaches migrating west??

Sammy, it just slays me how anyone could not (A) see that kid in the discussion leaving the ground, it is obvious to me and others and (B) not see an obvious replant, meaning pushing off a second time.
I guess some misinformed people think a pitcher could run all the way to the plate as long as their hands have separated...lol
 
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The best way to alleviate the leaping issue would be to do away with the rule as it is in men's fastpitch. It really serves little purpose other than to create controversy.

Bretman, altough I am not sure the rule as written covers what it's intent is I do agree with your interpretation because bottom line that is what it says. Like it or not.
 
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Bretman, altough I am not sure the rule as written covers what it's intent is I do agree with your interpretation because bottom line that is what it says. Like it or not.

No body likes a s u c k up:D
 
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Sammy, it just slays me how anyone could not (A) see that kid in the discussion leaving the ground, it is obvious to me and others and (B) not see an obvious replant, meaning pushing off a second time.
I guess some misinformed people think a pitcher could run all the way to the plate as long as their hands have separated...lol

My DD's travel team once faced a big time leaper, similar to this. When the umpire was asked if he was going to call it, his reply was the classic "she's not gaining any advantage"! So our coach requested that our pitchers be allowed to just pitch from 35', since that's where this pitcher was pitching from! Point made, but didn't get any brownie points!!

Being a pitcher's dad and watching female pitchers for many years, it's not that hard to distinguish the legal from the illegal. Watching a few years of college games, you see it in a heartbeat. It's like playing a drum - a drummer can easily distinguish a single stroke roll from a double stroke roll - but to most people any drum roll sounds like all the rest; a buzz.

I think a lot of the problems we see in Ohio is the subtle intermingling of teaching men's pitching mechanics with women's. They are quite different, and the rules reflect those differences. Unfortunately a lot of girls are being taught illegal mechanics from day one. The pitching style in these videos are classic men's style fastpitch mechanics. Female pitching mechanics will more resemble teaching of good hitting/throwing mechanics; landing on a flexed front knee and "getting the backside through" for instance.
 
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FWIW, I saw plenty of illegal pitches get called the past week at the Rebel Spring Games. (at least a dozen, maybe more) Even got my own kid for taking too long to get on the rubber. Whaaaat? She's NEVER been called on that before!! ;)

Sammy is quite correct. If you know what to look for and have been looking at it enough, it's easy to spot. Unfortunately, not enough umpires know what to look for and/or are trained improperly. (based on the interpretations I've heard on this thread at least.) Seems the college umps I saw aren't trained to look the other way.

Pitching coaches need to stress proper mechanics, umpires need to call the infractions, anything less is doing a disservice.
 
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I was finally able to look at the video. It looks completely illegal to me. But you know, those who live in Texas live by another set of rules.
 
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It's like playing a drum - a drummer can easily distinguish a single stroke roll from a double stroke roll - but to most people any drum roll sounds like all the rest; a buzz.
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I knew there was a reason you were spot on with your assessment of the legality of the pitcher. You are a fellow drummer! :cool:
 
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I knew there was a reason you were spot on with your assessment of the legality of the pitcher. You are a fellow drummer! :cool:

Yep! A favorite pastime of mine is watching Neil Peart videos on YouTube. Most my age don't even know who he is. But I have to admit, my musical tastes are far from typical of my age group... :D My idea of "oldies" is a little more obscure - stuff that didn't get much airplay; AOR for the most part. Great to "meet" another of the craft!!
 
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Yep! A favorite pastime of mine is watching Neil Peart videos on YouTube. Most my age don't even know who he is. But I have to admit, my musical tastes are far from typical of my age group... :D My idea of "oldies" is a little more obscure - stuff that didn't get much airplay; AOR for the most part. Great to "meet" another of the craft!!

If you want to see a drummer that could give "The Professor" (Peart) a run for his money, check out Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater on you tube. They also dont get much radio air due to most of their songs being just a shade longer than this thread, but they are all uber talented. I could never even think of pulling off some of this guys' moves, he is definately in the top 10 all time drummers.
 
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If you want to see a drummer that could give "The Professor" (Peart) a run for his money, check out Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater on you tube. They also dont get much radio air due to most of their songs being just a shade longer than this thread, but they are all uber talented. I could never even think of pulling off some of this guys' moves, he is definately in the top 10 all time drummers.

Yep - he's awesome! Dream Theater has influenced quite a few musicians.

And just to keep this thread on topic - I'm guessing BOTH of those guys would NEVER be illegal if they were pitchers! :D
 
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Yep - he's awesome! Dream Theater has influenced quite a few musicians.

And just to keep this thread on topic - I'm guessing BOTH of those guys would NEVER be illegal if they were pitchers! :D

Hahahaha...agreed!
 
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Neil Peart thee best drummer, but has he ever played a tough drum solo. I mean he makes it all look so effortlessly and has he ever broken a sweat while playing. The only thing is he lacks a show presents while playing.

Mike Portnoy very, very fast hands but I don?t like his rhythms or lack thereof, seems to me to be more of a grudge style i.e. Fast and loud, lacking rhythm and beat.

Terry Bozzio does anyone have a bigger drum set.

Lars Ulrich great drummer, fast good beat and rhythm, remember every song he plays is like a drum solo. Has to be the most fit in shape drummer ever.

My favorite drummer has to be Eric Carr, watch and listen to this one. Great rhythm, beat and show presents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EwC0seCbl0 his best one ever was the one from Animalize tour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOvAoDG9Z2o&feature=related


To keep on topic: its still illegal
 
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