isn't this softball player out

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In a game last Saturday my catcher attempted to throw a girl out stealing second,umpire called her safe. pitcher gets the ball back into the circle. even though the umpire hasn't behind home plate or called time.
The base runner thinks she was called out gets off second base and heads to the dugout, she crosses the third base line, her coach at third base grabs her and guides her back to third. my question is isn't she out when she got off second base, isn't she out when she gave herself up and crosses the third base line, isn't she out when the coach assisted her back to third base.

 

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I THINK THE PLAY WOULD BE DEAD AFTER THE PITCHER WAS IN THE CIRCLE, HOWEVER IF THE THIRD BASE COACH ASSISTED HER BACK TO THIRD SHE SHOULD BE CALLED OUT REGARDLESS ?

 

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The ball is not dead because the pitcher has it in the circle. By any rule set, she should have been called out when she(R1) walked off second base. A runner is not out until she enters the team area, dugout. Also assisting a runner by a coach is more than touching her and sending her to the next base. A coach would have to grab a runner to stop her from advancing or pick her up after she fell.

What was the final ruling?

 

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The runner is not out simply for "abandoning the base" or "giving herself up" until she leaves live ball area or enters her team dugout (crossing the third base line is not the rule and not a factor here).

She might have been called out for a Look Back Rule violation when she initially left the base- if the pitcher had possession of the ball in the circle. That kind of depends on the timing of when the pitcher got the ball and when the runner left the base.

She probably should have been called out for coach interference when the coach grabbed her and assisted her back to third base.

 

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The ball is not dead because the pitcher has it in the circle. By any rule set, she should have been called out when she(R1) walked off second base. A runner is not out until she enters the team area, dugout. Also assisting a runner by a coach is more than touching her and sending her to the next base. A coach would have to grab a runner to stop her from advancing or pick her up after she fell.

What was the final ruling?

The umpire made her go back to second base

 

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The umpire made her go back to second base

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The umpire missed a couple of legitimate chances to call this runner out, ignoring all the rules we posted above, then invented his own rule to correct the situation.

I would love to hear his reasoning for putting the runner back on second.

 

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In a game last Saturday my catcher attempted to throw a girl out stealing second,umpire called her safe. pitcher gets the ball back into the circle.[highlight] even though the umpire hasn't (sic) behind home plate or called time.[/highlight] ? The base runner thinks she was called out gets off second base and heads to the dugout, she crosses the third base line, her coach at third base grabs her and guides her back to third. my question is isn't she out when she got off second base, isn't she out when she gave herself up and crosses the third base line, isn't she out when the coach assisted her back to third base.

I'm going to assume that there was only one umpire, the plate ump. ?He probably came out into the field to make the call at second base. ?Upon calling the runner safe at second, he turned his back to the play, called or referenced "time," and returned to a position behind the plate. ?So if the runner had left base, she was not in jeopardy of being called out. ?The other thing, that could have occured, is that the umpire never made the "timeout" clear to everyone, but just assumed everyone was aware, with him being the only umpire.

Again, I'm just guessing by the description of the post, because it sounds to me like there was only one umpire. ?And I think he made the right call.

 

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That is the only thing I can think of that would justify this call. The umpire might have called time out somewhere in this sequence before the runner left the bag.

 

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[quote author=Randall link=1211948149/0#4 date=1211979751]
The umpire made her go back to second base

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The umpire missed a couple of legitimate chances to call this runner out, ignoring all the rules we posted above, [highlight]then invented his own rule to correct the situation.[/highlight]

I would love to hear his reasoning for putting the runner back on second.
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Didn't you have a post (in a different thread) that basically stated that an umpire could make any ruling that wasn't specifically covered by the rules?

Yes the player was at fault for leaving the base (she should stay there if there is any question about whether she is safe or not until someone tells her she is out), but the umpire was only correcting the situation. Depending on the level of play, I'd have no problem with the umpire correcting this situation.