What happens when statman is around (at GAPSS edition)

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Well, Joe, I've read the rules three or four times now and I don't see anything about an open roster during bracket games. Here is all that the rules say regarding use of the roster: "During pool play games, teams may choose to bat their entire roster and/or make unlimited defensive substitutions." The rules then go on to say that during bracket play the regular ASA rules and regulations apply.

Agree that addressing this issue in future tournaments is the best course, but I just don't see where this tournament was advertised, either by posts, tournament information, or tournament rules as an "open roster" event for elimination play.

Coachdennis, if you can point me to the written statements about "open roster", I will be more than willing to admit my mistake.

 

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CGS,

My '97 team played in GAPSS this past weekend. I kept the official email from the TD which also had the rules in a PDF format.

If you look under the section entitled "Check In," in the very last three sentences is where it states the following:

"Proof of insurance & an ASA sanction number must be shown at check-in. This tournament is an open roster event. Teams do not need to show an official ASA roster at check-in."

With this said, under the "Official Rules" section it basically says what you posted (i.e. during PP teams may bat their entire roster, once bracket play starts straight ASA line-up & substituion rules will apply).

In a way the aforementioned contradicts each other but again Rob has claimed responsibility & by no means was he using this player "to cheat" to win. They have had a great year. He made a mistake, learned from it & I know how sorry he is for this happening & how bad he feels for the girls. We have talked several times about it over the last two days.

BTW - the 14U portion of the tourney was awesome - we had a great time playing against great teams. We will apply again next yr as a second yr 14.

 

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Well, Joe, I've read the rules three or four times now and I don't see anything about an open roster during bracket games. Here is all that the rules say regarding use of the roster: "During pool play games, teams may choose to bat their entire roster and/or make unlimited defensive substitutions." The rules then go on to say that during bracket play the regular ASA rules and regulations apply.

Agree that addressing this issue in future tournaments is the best course, but I just don't see where this tournament was advertised, either by posts, tournament information, or tournament rules as an "open roster" event for elimination play.

Coachdennis, if you can point me to the written statements about "open roster", I will be more than willing to admit my mistake.

A. Did you at any time submit a roster to tournament officials? Answer No
B. During Ground rules did the umpire request and review the line up cards? Answer No.
C. After umpires reviewed the line up card did they hand them back to you to ensure all the information was correct? Answer No... because they do not need them...
D. Have you ever played in a open/no roster event? Answer No

If this was a rostered event (which it was not) at some point you would have to tell tournament officials who is on your team... Since it was not a rostered event your bench or your line-up card is your roster Period...

There is no verbiage anywhere in the rules that states this event is anything other than a showcase exhibition with an open roster format. The rules about bracket play refer to equipment, run rules, line-up, courtesy runners/substitutes that may have been altered for pool play.
End of Story...

 

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Nice job StatMan... Over 3300 views and still climbing BTW - what's the record for most post views ? ;&

 

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bout 60K LOL

 

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Nice job StatMan... Over 3300 views and still climbing BTW - what's the record for most post views ? ;&

Stingrays tournament or Laser tournament

 

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Dayton METRO over 65,000 views ....

 

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"Proof of insurance and ASA sanction # must be shown at time of registration. This tournament is an open roster event. Teams do not need to show an official ASA roster at check-in".


CGS, this is what it says. The intention behind the statement was you could have players play with you during the tournament that were otherwise rostered to another ASA team (not playing in the tournament).

When a few coaches during the showcase portion asked if they could have another team's player (in another teams uniform) play with them because they were short, I didn't give it much thought because the showcase/pool games didn't have any baring on anything. To my knowledge that wasn't the case in 10u, 12u or 14 pool play where the games did have meaning.


As someone mentioned, I did receive a call from a 12u or 14u team asking if they could use pick up a player who had played for another team that was eliminated. I left a message saying that wouldn't be allowed during bracket play. I remember thinking to myself, that was an odd question (no offense) but never gave it any more thought.


It will certainly be addressed in the rules for next year as I wouldn't want to have half of all eliminated players on the bench of one of the finalist and the other half of all the eliminated players on the bench of the other finalist. We won't have enough trophies. :lmao:

 

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lasers = 51,001

Stingrays = 34,441

14u State = 32,485

Dayton Metro = 65, 751

 

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Dayton METRO over 65,000 views ....

45k looking for drama gossip, LOL

 

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Thanks Mike. I admit my mistake in not seeing that language.

 

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Dayton METRO over 65,000 views ....

45k looking for drama gossip, LOL

the other 20k was Doug LOL !

 

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As I pointed out in my previous post, Open Roster events have been around for a very long time but, are obviously new to a lot of people.

They work well in showcase events that are not quite as large as GAPSS.
Generally 10 to 15 teams with a round robin format of 4 to 6 games. Strictly designed to get and keep players playing.

Several teams/players were able to benefit with the format at GAPSS and keep playing and get players some looks with the exception of the game in question.

As the event moves forward I am confident the issues will be addressed.

 

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Dayton Metro = 65, 751

WOW... Nice job Doug... :lmao:

 

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Nice job StatMan... Over 3300 views and still climbing BTW - what's the record for most post views ? ;&

what was funny was on old friend who we had played with before in 12u were simply standing and watching, chatting up old times, and we were pretty entertained from what was happening.
Another OFC-er and FB friend was teasing me about posting the incident, as of course, she knows me well.
Sometimes things seem to be said to me or "just happen" that as a softball community is ripe for comment (sometimes ridicule) and even laugh over (as I've tried to do with alot of my "things i learned" posts of the past.
I'm lucky there wont be any tourneys in my near future, people are going to come looking for me...

 

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now if i could just get truth08 to drop some bomb in here, I would be the leader of the WORLD! lol

 

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I'd try, but they would probably disallow the post. Apparently, certain dictator-like individuals with very thin skins can say anything they want, but let one person say something negative about a tournament director's decision and they try to form a lynch mob. LOL.

I was there for the forfeit. It was chicken sh__. And it's bad karma to take a win that way anyway. Rules? Please. Most of these guys make them up as they go.

Dear Team: Send us a bunch of money. We're going to have a showcase. You will play four pool games and then a single elimination tournament-- unless somebody dumps a bucket of water on your field at 7AM-- in which case, we'll have to wait for the water to dry naturally because we can't work on the fields. Then you'll just play five pool games and go home. The last game will be on Sunday, so you can spend a couple of hundred more dollars staying over Saturday night. Sound good? Great. See you there.

 

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I think we have all vented enough about the issue. I really didn't even know this young lady who was thrown front and center of the situation. I apologized to everyone including her and her parents. We live and learn. That’s not to say I didn’t know the bracket rule, I just truly never really stopped to think about it because we were playing short and hurt in 90 plus degree temps for the third week in a row. Okay damn I said no more venting lol!

I am so proud of my players. They are first class young ladies that play hard everytime they hit the field. They respect the game and even playing short in this heat the last 3 weeks, not one girl has complained. I have no doubt these ladies will all be successful in college and life. Not to mention how good of players they are. These situations test character, determination and commitment.

Their only questionable judgment is allowing me to coach them. One more tournament with this group and I know one thing before we even show up they will play hard win or lose.

Lastly all the comments and discussions were both entertaining and informative. We have the OFC platform to thank for that. I do not post often but when I do it’s usually a very healthy debate. I have always thought of GAPSS as a top rate tourney and my opinion has not changed. This event as well as the other showcases we play in help get our girls looked at by college coaches. That’s really my job at this point. Getting my players seen by college coaches and signed. Winning is great but knowing all my players have the opportunity to reach for a bigger prize is the most important thing to me.

Let’s close this post and set no records here

Robb

 

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"Proof of insurance and ASA sanction # must be shown at time of registration. This tournament is an open roster event. Teams do not need to show an official ASA roster at check-in".


CGS, this is what it says. The intention behind the statement was you could have players play with you during the tournament that were otherwise rostered to another ASA team not p(laying in the tournament).

When a few coaches during the showcase portion asked if they could have another team's player (in another teams uniform) play with them because they were short, I didn't give it much thought because the showcase/pool games didn't have any baring on anything. To my knowledge that wasn't the case in 10u, 12u or 14 pool play where the games did have meaning.


As someone mentioned, I did receive a call from a 12u or 14u team asking if they could use pick up a player who had played for another team that was eliminated. I left a message saying that wouldn't be allowed during bracket play. I remember thinking to myself, that was an odd question (no offense) but never gave it any more thought.


It will certainly be addressed in the rules for next year as I wouldn't want to have half of all eliminated players on the bench of one of the finalist and the other half of all the eliminated players on the bench of the other finalist. We won't have enough trophies. :lmao:

I'm not sure where the confusion is here. Other than the fact that the (not playing in the tournament) portion was not "mind read" by Rob or any other coach that did the same thing since it was not stated. I think that I'm a great mind reader but I missed that one.


There was no harm and no foul on Rob's part or Static's part or any other team that did the same thing. Period. I'm actually surprised that no other coach or org has replied saying that they did the same thing. That said, the player in question had no bearing on the game.... The team that "won" was getting beat by a large margin without this "illegal" player even in the game. I say shame on the person who had to get involved because of "sour grapes" (she didn't play for you this year) and shame on the coach who got the cheap win by not living in the real world. The tournament would have been alot better in that bracket with the right team moving forward.

Play the hand you are dealt and make the best of it.

Thanks,

Bob

 

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I think we have all vented enough about the issue. I really didn't even know this young lady who was thrown front and center of the situation. I apologized to everyone including her and her parents. We live and learn. That?s not to say I didn?t know the bracket rule, I just truly never really stopped to think about it because we were playing short and hurt in 90 plus degree temps for the third week in a row. Okay damn I said no more venting lol!

I am so proud of my players. They are first class young ladies that play hard everytime they hit the field. They respect the game and even playing short in this heat the last 3 weeks, not one girl has complained. I have no doubt these ladies will all be successful in college and life. Not to mention how good of players they are. These situations test character, determination and commitment.

Their only questionable judgment is allowing me to coach them. One more tournament with this group and I know one thing before we even show up they will play hard win or lose.

Lastly all the comments and discussions were both entertaining and informative. We have the OFC platform to thank for that. I do not post often but when I do it?s usually a very healthy debate. I have always thought of GAPSS as a top rate tourney and my opinion has not changed. This event as well as the other showcases we play in help get our girls looked at by college coaches. That?s really my job at this point. Getting my players seen by college coaches and signed. Winning is great but knowing all my players have the opportunity to reach for a bigger prize is the most important thing to me.

Let?s close this post and set no records here

Robb

You are a class act.