What happens when statman is around (at GAPSS edition)

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Scenario: After a bad call by the umps and some bickering back and forth from the losing team and some parents (in their defense, the ump is supposed to walk away from those kinds of confrontations. but that's another thread), my old friend and I suddenly see the TD come over and talk to the coach in question. I'm thinking he probably said something coarse, but after their discussion, TD calls the umpires over for conference.

Suddenly, the losing team is notified that the winning team will have to forfeit because of an illegal substitution (allegedly, it was a girl who had already played on another team!). Now, it's not how I'd like to win, but I question why a coach would risk losing on Sunday with a player who had been illegal, and sitting the bench the entire time?

To make matters worse, a parent argues with their own coach (and TD later), and some parents form the forfeit side are sarcastically saying "good game" to the other side and refusing to shake hands after the game (that was a coach).
Seriously? Win, lose with class.

 

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you use an illegal player you forfeit your right to pee pee and moan . Did they actually play her or she was rostered and didn't play . One is only slightly less stupid than the other . I can't believe someone used a player that had already playe on another team. Were there injuries or some scenario to make it tempting to add a player ? MD

 

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Feel bad for the girls. Not their fault. A risk run by the coaches that cost the girls additional games. But the rules are the rules. Seem some weird stuff and that one adds to the mix.

Coach murph

 

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First off I will address all questions. We used a player that played on another team that was eliminated. I made a mistake in allowing my assistant coach to ask her. I did not previously know this player at all but apparently she is very well known. I knew the tourney was an open roster event. The TD notified the other team that we had this player which he knew very well. The other team protested our player who was illegal.

We did not need to use this player at all she was put into the game as a defensive sub to get my SS out of the game who was hurt. That mistake cost us a game we were winning easily. I never should have used her at all and ended up apologizing to my girls for my mistake.

The comment about shaking hands is absolutely wrong. I talked briefly to my team to tell them the mistake then caught the UIC down the leftfield line to ask a few more questions about the rules and the non roster. Bad situation all around for our girls and my responsibility. End of story end of our weekend!

 

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What is the rule for the open rosters? I noticed a few teams using players that were dressed in uniforms from other teams. Just wondering.

 

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What is the rule for the open rosters? I noticed a few teams using players that were dressed in uniforms from other teams. Just wondering.

The Static used a player that already played in that tournament (GAPPS) while others are using players that are only playing for them.

 

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First of all the TD told the other team about the player. He has NO right to do that and yes the ss was hurt. The Tournament was worthless as a college exposure unless you want to have your girls looked at by division III coaches. The td told the the man that the coaches follow the girls!!! So I an guessing that he means the teams that were in his tournament weren't worth watching. Once again the td had no right to tell the other coach about the player. This was not a team that would do that intentionally.
The coach from the other and his wife were out of control. The said umpire did what he was supposed to do but the words that were that being said to him were very unprofessional and demeaning. If the coach is an umpire like he said he was I hope he is treated the same way like he treated those umpires. There were girls going from team to team in this tournament. My daughter was asked to play for another team in this tournament. After all this was to be a college exposure tournament wasn't it?

 

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Really doesn't matter who told who what where and when. It was decided that the rules were broken. End of story. The coach in the post above answered and let's let it go. It's unfortunate for the Static girls as they are a really good team and showed it in the very first inning. Hat's off to the Static gals!

 

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It helps hearing different sides to the story. In my opinion, yes this is a college showcase which allows for some roster flexibility. Once pool play is over (the showcase section of the tournament) then standard tournament rules should apply. These items should be clearly covered in the rules, if they are not, I'm sure they will be next year.

 

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The Static used a player that already played in that tournament (GAPPS) while others are using players that are only playing for them.

I saw one team use a pitcher as their starter then replaced her late in the game so that she could go pitch for her team one field over. Also saw an outfielder play for two teams in a matter of three hours. Just wondering if that was okay in pool play but not tournament portion. There were a lot of confused people to say the least.

 

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I am for almost anything that is done for exposure, but if you are just trying to win a game, play with who you have.

 

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sounds like GAPPS was a scrimmage not a Tournament?

 

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sounds like chaos

 

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I am for almost anything that is done for exposure, but if you are just trying to win a game, play with who you have.

Good info for the Showcase format thread a few days back. This falls into a grey area whenever there is Non-Roster exhibition events like this showcase that is put on for college exposure.

In this game Static was up big and Rob was going to get a 14U player a inning or two in to rest his SS.

At this event you had No Rosters, No official line up cards, college players on teams, teams using players from their younger teams, teams using players done with other tournaments or on an off weekend, players jumping teams in pool and brkt play and in this case a team using a player from a team that had been eliminated.

After reviewing the Tournament rules it clearly states this is a non-rostered event... All you need is entry fee, sanction number and proof of insurance for this event.
So at ANY given point in time during pool play or bracket play the tournament directors had no idea who was playing for who and they did not need to know since it was an open event.

The TD used modified playing rules for pool play to get players more exposure. In bracket play ASA rules would apply as it relates to line up subs/runners.
There are a lot of showcases that operate this way because it is about playing for exposure.

As far as protest, some events do not allow them... most strongly discourage them like Stingrays...and there are a few that play the tournament by the ASA Rule book including protest. (In this case the other team did not protest).

The problem here is the TD decided to make it a championship play event for "this game in question" and did not police the other games going on in the tournament that had current and eliminated players on them from other teams.
Mistakes were made by the TD with allowing "team jumping" in pool/brkt play if he did not want that to happen it needed to be a rostered event. This situation had more twist than the shut down Vortex ant Kings Island..TD and tournament officials observing one particular player during pool and brkt games, tournament officials stepping in the middle of a game to DQ said player and team, Tournament officials and field umpires not understanding or deciding to change the event format...Hard to believe after 7 years tournament officials did not know it was open rostered showcase event?

I was reviewing the rules from the showcase events we have played in the past three years. Some are exhibition and do not care about rosters (like this one) players do not even need matching uniforms because they get back tags/
Others allow double rostering with TD approval/review and a few like Sluggerfest clearly state "ASA Championship play" including rosters at check in with the following rule changes during pool play. These are usually qualifying events as well.

Rob has stepped up and taken ownership of the situation even though he did nothing against this tourneys rules as they have them posted on their website... Unlike the other party involved;&

 

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Not sure why SCCARDS thinks no exposure.

We had Ohio State,Akron,Kent St,Toledo, Wright State and some D 2 coaches at our games at Liberty Park.

 

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sounds like chaos

I agree - was there even a way to verify the ages of players in this tourney?

 

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I agree - was there even a way to verify the ages of players in this tourney?

Nope... If the TD did not have an agenda with the 14U player in question this would most likely not even be on this site

 

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Not sure about that argument about college coaches, D3 or otherwise. Not having been there on Friday, I do know my unofficial take on the # is not really a fair assessment. They typically don't arrive on Sunday, and honestly it depends on the team you are and the team you are playing. I think the LAsers cart them around in their own camper, The Cavanaugh Express.
Anyway, to bring up that argument about exposure tourney is nil, especially after forfeiting a game. Just sounds like there is nothing else to argue about.

 

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Yes Eagle one
But there was 4 D1 Max 3 D2 3 NAIA The rest were D3
That is sad for a college showcase! Of corse a laser person would reply to that.
How many coaches were at the lasers tournament. My daughters played there before too you have tons. Don't get me wrong if you want your DD to go to a D3 thats great but most don't. This had a ton of D3 coaches singned up. Checked the sign in sheet Sat. morn didn't see but 2 D1 2 D2 maybe 3 NAIA not good for a Great American Premier Softball Showcase

 

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Statman who started all of this? You as always!