What happens when statman is around (at GAPSS edition)

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the messenger always wears his vest, bullet proof that is

 

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Yes Eagle one
But there was 4 D1 Max 3 D2 3 NAIA The rest were D3
That is sad for a college showcase! Of corse a laser person would reply to that.
How many coaches were at the lasers tournament. My daughters played there before too you have tons. Don't get me wrong if you want your DD to go to a D3 thats great but most don't. This had a ton of D3 coaches singned up. Checked the sign in sheet Sat. morn didn't see but 2 D1 2 D2 maybe 3 NAIA not good for a Great American Premier Softball Showcase

I am not associated with GAPSS nor with the Laser organization. I am just an older guy who went through the recruiting process for a while until my DD decided to not play college softball. I have, and continue to, talk to College coaches about recruiting. Not near as much as Eagle One, but I do get in a fair amount of time. I continue to do it because I really like to see girls work on their goal of playing college softball. So, with that said, there are times when a hard case of reality must be said.

It sounds like you had a rough weekend, recruiting-wise. College coaches do follow the girls. Girls that they think will make a difference for their team if they are able to recruit them. There are a myriad of reasons that you are not seeing D1 and D2 coaches.

But the 2 big ones are:

1. Are any of the girls emailing those coaches and letting them know that they are interested in that school? If the coaches don't know a girl is interested, they will not come and look.
2. Girls are emailing but still no coaches. Well, then the D1 and D2 coaches are not interested in any of the girls on the team. Cold, but true.

If they are emailing and the coaches aren't showing up at their games, then it is time for a reality check. It is also time for those girls to talk to their travel coach about an honest assessment of their skill set and where it fits into the college softball world. To be honest, their travel coach should have already had this talk with them and their parents at the beginning when they first signed onto the team. College coaches do look for that diamond in the rough that hasn't contacted their school but those are few and far between. They are busy looking at girls that have shown interest in their program. A girl has to take the initiative to market herself. She cannot depend on someone else to do it. Get to the camps. Email the coaches. Set-up visits.

I'm sorry if I seem rather gruff and to the point. And if I have totally missed the point of your post, then I truly apologize.

 

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Let me first address this roster question and then the college coach question.

The GAPSS tournament was an open roster tournament, we neither collected ASA rosters nor did we care if a team picked up players for the weekend that were legally rostered (ASA) to a different team. I did have one coach come to me during the showcase portion of the tournament and ask me if he could seek out a pitcher from another team who might want to showcase her talents because they were short a pitcher. Since the pool games had no baring on the bracket play, I said to go ahead. In that case the player wore their normal teams uniform and played with the team that was short - no issues whatsoever and player(s) got to showcase their talents.

On Sunday morning, while making my rounds I had the opportunity to watch a great 16/18u bracket game. I recognized one of the players whom I had known for some time so I stuck around to see how it ended. The team with the player on it that I recognized lost a tough game. A couple hours later while working at Liberty Park, I received a call from another tournament official saying that he heard that the player who I had just watched lose was now playing on a field at Liberty Park with a different team. The information was in fact true, the player was now wearing a different teams uniform and was on the field and in the game.

At this point I felt I had two choices, inform the umpire of the illegal player and have him decide how to handle it OR speak to the opposing coach to see if he wanted to have the issue addressed with the umpire (or just let it go). I chose to speak to the opposing coach first (thinking if he didn't care then I would address the issue after the game) - the opposing coach said he wanted the issue to be addressed with the umpires. I convened a conference with the umpires, UIC and ASA district commissioner. The decision was made that the team had to forfeit the game.

The 'discussions' with me afterwards were in regards to the offending team questioning my 'right' as TD to inform the other team (or the umpire for that matter) that an illegal player was being used. It was suggested that I should have told the offending coach that I knew he was using an illegal player and let him make it right before anyone else found out.

After 24 hours, I stand behind my decision and the approach I chose to take. And for anyone who thinks that an open roster tournament means you can take players who were eliminated from bracket play with other teams, have them switch uniforms and play for you so you can continue must be really naive.

Regarding college coaches in attendance, I met and spoke with virtually all of the schools that were on the list at some point or another as well as some additional schools that didn't register ahead of time. Only about half of the coaches who had pre-registered (and were listed on the website) stopped by to check-in before going to the fields. That of course is their choice. As I said on another post, we were pleased with the attendance and the feedback we received about the quality of players that were following.

Mike Wilson
GAPSS Tournament Director

 

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But the 2 big ones are:

1. Are any of the girls emailing those coaches and letting them know that they are interested in that school? If the coaches don't know a girl is interested, they will not come and look.
2. Girls are emailing but still no coaches. Well, then the D1 and D2 coaches are not interested in any of the girls on the team. Cold, but true.

If they are emailing and the coaches aren't showing up at their games, then it is time for a reality check. It is also time for those girls to talk to their travel coach about an honest assessment of their skill set and where it fits into the college softball world. To be honest, their travel coach should have already had this talk with them and their parents at the beginning when they first signed onto the team. College coaches do look for that diamond in the rough that hasn't contacted their school but those are few and far between. They are busy looking at girls that have shown interest in their program. A girl has to take the initiative to market herself. She cannot depend on someone else to do it. Get to the camps. Email the coaches. Set-up visits.

I'm sorry if I seem rather gruff and to the point. And if I have totally missed the point of your post, then I truly apologize.

I think you hit it right on. Couldn't agree more. The coaches know who/what they are looking for.

 

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So the coach made a mistake and he admited he did. We have been in the same situation and lost a birth. But he didn't wine or talk to the td nor did the td talk to us about the situation even though she knew about it. I have run many tournaments including AAU basketball softball and baseball have been uic and never have I told the opposing coach of a violation.

Oh! by the way all the girls on the team have been signed except the 2012s.

 

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Still scratching my head how it is ok to allow a player to switch teams in pool but not bracket play..........sounds like a double standard.....either it is ok to do or it is not okay to do.....regardless if it is pool or bracket play.

 

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@Miamisburg:

A college exposure tournament that doesn't advertise itself as ASA (or I guess any other sanction) sanctioned can choose whatever rules it wants for the tournament. In this case, it wanted "open rosters" for the pool play and something closer to closed rosters for the elimination bracket. I frankly haven't taken the time to try to analyze the whole event raised by Stattie. I do know that the team providing a pitcher to another team during the pool play (which didn't affect elimination bracket) did that on the express representation that the TD had approved that. And contrary to any statements on this thread, the pitcher didn't pitch in the next game for her team. We viewed that pitcher as having gained exposure innings and we didn't play her on the schedule that we had anticipated. That of course opened up exposure opportunities for other pitchers on the staff.

 

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Still scratching my head how it is ok to allow a player to switch teams in pool but not bracket play..........sounds like a double standard.....either it is ok to do or it is not okay to do.....regardless if it is pool or bracket play.

I believe Pool play at GAPSS is like a scrimmage. It has no bearing on the bracket or tournament results. They are just played for girls to showcase their talents to the scouts.

 

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Stop playing by two sets of rules or rules that are convient for your "buddies". Poor decision by the TD.

 

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Still scratching my head how it is ok to allow a player to switch teams in pool but not bracket play..........sounds like a double standard.....either it is ok to do or it is not okay to do.....regardless if it is pool or bracket play.

This is fairly common for "showcase" tournaments where pool play is for exposure and wins/losses mean nothing. Some exposure tournaments don't even have elimination brackets. Just a "high" game guarantee. Typically single elim at most to try to give as many pools games as time permits.

College coaches like knowing the game schedules ahead of time so they can plan to see the girls they came to see. Typically, most college coaches have left by the time elimination games start.

In my experience, for showcases that do allow guest players and have elimination, only rostered players can play for a team once elimination begins.

For qualifiers, players obviously need to be rostered players.

 

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So the coach made a mistake and he admited he did. We have been in the same situation and lost a birth. But he didn't wine or talk to the td nor did the td talk to us about the situation even though she knew about it. I have run many tournaments including AAU basketball softball and baseball have been uic and never have I told the opposing coach of a violation.

Oh! by the way all the girls on the team have been signed except the 2012s.

so, you're saying you've coached and TD-ed many of these similar events that knowingly play with open rosters or "illegals" (geez, I sound like Gov. Brewer!) and decided not to say a thing? Does that make it more or less classy?

In the end, does it come down to ethics? Regardless if she pinch ran or threw a no-hitter, it's not a person that's on their normal team (and those kinds of pick up players are somewhat frowned upon on other threads).

And if it's any consolation, i too behaved unethically. You should have seen what was in my cooler!

 

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so, you're saying you've coached and TD-ed many of these similar events that knowingly play with open rosters or "illegals" (geez, I sound like Gov. Brewer!) and decided not to say a thing? Does that make it more or less classy?

In the end, does it come down to ethics? Regardless if she pinch ran or threw a no-hitter, it's not a person that's on their normal team (and those kinds of pick up players are somewhat frowned upon on other threads).

And if it's any consolation, i too behaved unethically. You should have seen what was in my cooler!

And you didn't share? For shame...

 

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Again I have not addressed anything more than the situation that caused the forfeit and how it was handled. I talked to several college coaches I know at the tournament. All our 2011 are signed and our 2012 all have several coaches following them every weekend.
I have no gripe with the college coach?s attendance.

You know how I felt about the situation. The fact you knew the player in question well had a factor in your decision and how it was handled. This player was entered into the game as a defensive sub to get my injured player out of the game. You knew she was dressed as you watched the whole game prior to me taking out my injured player. The reason you told the other coach about the player instead of me, knowing she had no bearing on the outcome of the game was for your own reasons. I didn?t know the history.

Bottom line it was my mistake. I have no defense as to why we made the mistake
other than we have been playing short for the past three weekends due to injuries and picked up players. I was asked by my assitant coach about getting her to run before thinking the situation through.


Not sure who Statman is addressing the classy comments to but I will again make sure you understand this was a mistake made by me and not something done intentional to give us an overwhelming advantage. I can own up to by mistakes no problem. I don?t need you to question my ethics. I didn?t even know this girl prior to the game or that she is only 14.

 

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Stop playing by two sets of rules or rules that are convient for your "buddies". Poor decision by the TD.

I don't think anyone has insinuated that this was something done for one of his "buddies". Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but I don't understand why it's so hard for people to distinguish between showcase and elimination play. I don't think there is any harm in allowing flexibility with the rosters if the games don't effect bracket play.

 

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Again I have not addressed anything more than the situation that caused the forfeit and how it was handled. I talked to several college coaches I know at the tournament. All our 2011 are signed and our 2012 all have several coaches following them every weekend.
I have no gripe with the college coach?s attendance.

You know how I felt about the situation. The fact you knew the player in question well had a factor in your decision and how it was handled. This player was entered into the game as a defensive sub to get my injured player out of the game. You knew she was dressed as you watched the whole game prior to me taking out my injured player. The reason you told the other coach about the player instead of me, knowing she had no bearing on the outcome of the game was for your own reasons. I didn?t know the history.

Bottom line it was my mistake. I have no defense as to why we made the mistake
other than we have been playing short for the past three weekends due to injuries and picked up players. I was asked by my assitant coach about getting her to run before thinking the situation through.


Not sure who Statman is addressing the classy comments to but I will again make sure you understand this was a mistake made by me and not something done intentional to give us an overwhelming advantage. I can own up to by mistakes no problem. I don?t need you to question my ethics. I didn?t even know this girl prior to the game or that she is only 14.

Statman was replying to the person who he quoted in his post, sccards, who said he's ran several tournaments, knew illegal things were going on and never told anyone. Just let them go on. Can't believe they are proud of that.

 

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This is fairly common for "showcase" tournaments where pool play is for exposure and wins/losses mean nothing. Some exposure tournaments don't even have elimination brackets. Just a "high" game guarantee. Typically single elim at most to try to give as many pools games as time permits.

College coaches like knowing the game schedules ahead of time so they can plan to see the girls they came to see. Typically, most college coaches have left by the time elimination games start.

In my experience, for showcases that do allow guest players and have elimination, only rostered players can play for a team once elimination begins.

For qualifiers, players obviously need to be rostered players.

Pretty much what everyone else has seen.

Unfortunately, at this event the way it was structured and with players jumping teams in pool and Brkt play there is no way the TD knew who played for who in brkt play or pool play unless, like in this case the TD knew the player....

 

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Oh! Did i not say " never have i told the opposing coach of a violation"!!

I did tell the coach that would be in violation!!! That is the way to handle it professionally. Not cause a uprising by some would be professionals.

The td did not handle the situation correctly!!!!!!

The other coach was out of control! So he rewards him by telling him the other team has an illeagle player so he wins by forfeit! If that isn't some good old boy cr**.

 

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Sorry illegal

 

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Again I have not addressed anything more than the situation that caused the forfeit and how it was handled. I talked to several college coaches I know at the tournament. All our 2011 are signed and our 2012 all have several coaches following them every weekend.
I have no gripe with the college coach?s attendance.

You know how I felt about the situation. The fact you knew the player in question well had a factor in your decision and how it was handled. This player was entered into the game as a defensive sub to get my injured player out of the game. You knew she was dressed as you watched the whole game prior to me taking out my injured player. The reason you told the other coach about the player instead of me, knowing she had no bearing on the outcome of the game was for your own reasons. I didn?t know the history.

Bottom line it was my mistake. I have no defense as to why we made the mistake
other than we have been playing short for the past three weekends due to injuries and picked up players. I was asked by my assitant coach about getting her to run before thinking the situation through.


Not sure who Statman is addressing the classy comments to but I will again make sure you understand this was a mistake made by me and not something done intentional to give us an overwhelming advantage. I can own up to by mistakes no problem. I don?t need you to question my ethics. I didn?t even know this girl prior to the game or that she is only 14.

Robb:

Its over from my perspective, you didn't do or say anything to me out of line. I did what I felt I had to do, you except it and we went our own way. Its over.

Please also know that I am a huge fan of the player. She is a great talent and it is only because she is such a talent that I know who she is and know her family. Trust me, it had nothing to do with her.

Mike

 

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Yes it's over in your eyes. Because you did not handle the situation correctly!!