Pitching and Pitchers Discussion pitching speed

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All I can tell anyone is I have done my share of tryouts with the gun. I have been to numerous college pitching camps. I guess I don't know how to use the gun, because I have not found the 60+ kids yet. I do agree all good pitching camps are using the REV gun , and all have stated, you better be over 20 to pitch in college. As Tim stated you throw a flat fast ball at 74 ( Japan) you still will get it hit out of the park. Why Abbott and many more are using spin. I do see 90% between 54 to 58.[/QUOTE]


Thats where my dd is and she is 14 in 2 weeks. She does have a lot of movement and several pitches she throws effectively. But I have to tell you, it is the location and movement that seems to be the most effective. Fast balls get teed off on. :lmao:

 

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I have personally seen 3 girls at 60 plus

Eckstien (East Central hs) as a junior 61 ON A GUN

Allen (Ryle hs) as a junior 63 ON A GUN

Elspazara (Avon hs) as a senior we faced her this past year and she was fast, but her (TRUE) rise ball was money
she is now a freshman at butler

 

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sad627. After 14 you should never call a fast ball as a pitch. Just my view,. When it goes to 43 the drop ball will be a our #1 pitch. I like movement pitches that break in or out of the strike zone. Coach McQueen, Do they threw at this speed during a game, or was this practice with a gun. If you read the post I made from the National Web site. They talk about this subject. Many kids can hit 60+ during non game situations.

 

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SB family --thats a very legit point --throwing a pitch or two at 60 is quite different from throwing a few innings in a live game situation at 60 . I understand that. I guess if we are going to discuss speed in depth we need to all be on the same page.

Would we agree that the former laser girl that played for Bill Lilly at 14u last season was at or above 60 with some regularity ? Thats one. 13u girl from the ohio glory hit 61 on the fastest pitch competition at NSA worlds. my guess would be Emily Anderson,Jocelyn Rivera and Kaitlyn Minney were all close to 60 (about 57-59 ?) most of the time as 13u's last season . Am I wrong with any of these ? MD

 

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sad627. After 14 you should never call a fast ball as a pitch. Just my view,. When it goes to 43 the drop ball will be a our #1 pitch. I like movement pitches that break in or out of the strike zone. Coach McQueen, Do they threw at this speed during a game, or was this practice with a gun. If you read the post I made from the National Web site. They talk about this subject. Many kids can hit 60+ during non game situations.

you make a great point this was game speed

I have been doing this long enough to understand there are practice pitchers and there are big game pitchers unfortunatly i have seen way more practice pitchers than I care to talk about

 

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For a pitcher to throw consistently at 60 she will need to reach speeds in the mid to upper 60mph range to hold that consistency. Seen alot of pitchers in the 14/16 the last 3-4 years and sorry to say none of them are consistently throwing 60. Not even any of the ones mentioned in this thread.;& Like BD said most are consitent at 56-59 and that is why they hit 61-62 on the gun every now and again.

 

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For a pitcher to throw consistently at 60 she will need to reach speeds in the mid to upper 60mph range to hold that consistency. Seen alot of pitchers in the 14/16 the last 3-4 years and sorry to say none of them are consistently throwing 60. Not even any of the ones mentioned in this thread.;& Like BD said most are consitent at 56-59 and that is why they hit 61-62 on the gun every now and again.

So let me get this right you are saying that a pitcher that can throw 61 the first inning can not throw 61 in th 7th inning

 

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So let me get this right you are saying that a pitcher that can throw 61 the first inning can not throw 61 in the 7th inning

Don't believe I read that anywhere in my post, but feel free to interpret however you like best. I believe a pitcher can hit 61 in every inning at least once, but if they are going to do it consistently they will more than likely hit the gun at times closer to 65-67.
To me being consistent at throwing 61 means it can be replicated pretty much at will. Your consistent may be 50% which I'm not buying what your selling.;& My consistent is 95%+ and closer to 99%, and I'll have alot more takers than your 61 in inning #1 and 61 in inning #7 which is closer to 3%.

 

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If anything, I would think a pitcher would throw slower at the start of a game and their speed would pick up as the game progresses and they get looser. It all depends on the particular pitcher. DD usually takes 25-30 minutes to warm up. Other pitcher may spend less time warming up. Everybody has different routines. The key is to have a routine, AKA the Radara McHugh school of pitching and pitching mechanics.

 

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who said anything about 12u throwing 60 ? Is it possible to have a discussion about pitching speed w/o all the pitchers dad's getting their panties in a wad ? MD

Now MD you know I'm a pitchers dad any my 13 yr old was clocked at 79 mph, but since it was wind aided we couldn't count it, and remember on that same day she hit one 500 feet, but the wind blew it back in and ended up only going 225'!!! Darn Pitchers dad's take the fun out of it all! lmao
Actual Numbers for My DD: 13yr old 5'3" tall and weighs 112 lbs pitching since 9 yrs of age and has great spin on all of her pitches, the fastball drops naturally.

Top Speed-56 (only once though and no where near the zone, lmao)
Consistent Speed 51-52
Curve Ball 48-50 (and is still in development)
Drop Ball 48-50
Change Up 40-42

 

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Don't believe I read that anywhere in my post, but feel free to interpret however you like best. I believe a pitcher can hit 61 in every inning at least once, but if they are going to do it consistently they will more than likely hit the gun at times closer to 65-67.
To me being consistent at throwing 61 means it can be replicated pretty much at will. Your consistent may be 50% which I'm not buying what your selling.;& My consistent is 95%+ and closer to 99%, and I'll have alot more takers than your 61 in inning #1 and 61 in inning #7 which is closer to 3%.

I am no trying to start any argument I believe the original post was how fast certain age groups throw
my point was at a certain age these were the speeds these girls HIT
one is at OKlahoma the second is at butler and they both threw just over 60

It had nothing to do with how many pitches they could duplicate

I know Eckstien throws consistantly around 58 and she hits 60 - 61 the days she is loose and she is also one of those girls that gets stonger as the game goes on

 

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Now MD you know I'm a pitchers dad any my 13 yr old was clocked at 79 mph, but since it was wind aided we couldn't count it, and remember on that same day she hit one 500 feet, but the wind blew it back in and ended up only going 225'!!! Darn Pitchers dad's take the fun out of it all! lmao
Actual Numbers for My DD: 13yr old 5'3" tall and weighs 112 lbs pitching since 9 yrs of age and has great spin on all of her pitches, the fastball drops naturally.

Top Speed-56 (only once though and no where near the zone, lmao)
Consistent Speed 51-52
Curve Ball 48-50 (and is still in development)
Drop Ball 48-50
Change Up 40-42

they don't call her "ace" for nothing ! MD

 

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Now MD you know I'm a pitchers dad any my 13 yr old was clocked at 79 mph, but since it was wind aided we couldn't count it, and remember on that same day she hit one 500 feet, but the wind blew it back in and ended up only going 225'!!! Darn Pitchers dad's take the fun out of it all! lmao
Actual Numbers for My DD: 13yr old 5'3" tall and weighs 112 lbs pitching since 9 yrs of age and has great spin on all of her pitches, the fastball drops naturally.

Top Speed-56 (only once though and no where near the zone, lmao)
Consistent Speed 51-52
Curve Ball 48-50 (and is still in development)
Drop Ball 48-50
Change Up 40-42

These speeds are more realistic. My DD who just turned 13 last week and is slightly smaller is about the same speed. Although she has never once hit 56. Speed claims by dads are just like how many pitches their DD can throw. 7 different pitches 60+ MPH. Funny how they all look exactly the same.:lmao::lmao:

 

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Originally Posted by LADY_KNIGHTS

For a pitcher to throw consistently at 60 she will need to reach speeds in the mid to upper 60mph range to hold that consistency. Seen alot of pitchers in the 14/16 the last 3-4 years and sorry to say none of them are consistently throwing 60. Not even any of the ones mentioned in this thread. Like BD said most are consitent at 56-59 and that is why they hit 61-62 on the gun every now and again.

RE: Originally Posted by coach McQueen

So let me get this right you are saying that a pitcher that can throw 61 the first inning can not throw 61 in th 7th inning

Your right and I guess I am wrong, but again interpret it however you will.

 

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I'm with ya dd0818, i've heard having 9 pitches and they all do the same thing. The 56 mph as I said was once, but she has hit 55 quite a few times, but that's raring back and letting it go, not trying to throw strikes. We are currently working on at least 5 versions to each pitch so by the time she is 18 she will have over 20 pitches in her arsenal! LMAO

I actually caught a kid once that had 4 pitches including the change upu (12U) and all the pitches were identical and hit 42-43 on the gun. I was rolling internally, but did give good compliments to keep the confidence up. LMAO
Which is why my post is in humor, because I've heard so many stories of 12yr olds throwing high 50's and pushing the envelope of 60, but i'm yet to see one and like I said the 56 was a fluke for mine. Pitchers Dads Rule!!! lmao

 

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MD,

You hit it right on the head! I'd ad Montana and our friend from your neck of the woods also to that list - she has to be throwing that hard by now. I see two of those pitchers on a weekly basis so I can honestly say they do throw hard. I've never gunned them myself so I won't throw out any numbers.

 

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Roger those speeds make sense and I have seen her pitch. That is how college camps record your speed. The will also give you a Rev/spin rating. My dd got a 18.6 and a high of 53 on the gun at 14. She doesn't even pitch travel ball, just rec. . Dan if you are talking about Abbey, no she didn't throw over 60. Talked to Bill Hillhouse who works with her, she is not the fastest he has, but she has great movement and can hit her spots. He has taught her some great riseballs. Not just one. Watched Kasie Kelly who is going to OSU, not over 60. But great movement when she K 'd 40 plus in one game. Lady_Knights and I got to watch Jenny Finch at one of our camps and you get an idea of what it takes to pitch at that level. Again I have seen some of the best ever to pitch in Ohio. Still #1 in my mind is Grace Luginbuhl. Still #1 in the record books with a 4 year ERA of 0.03. She could bring it over 60 the entire game. She beat us in the final 4 in the state and she beat us ever game we faced her in travel ball over the years playing for the Lasers. Jamie Perkins also was good one and had 51 straight wins , another Laser, but she didn't have great speed, but a drop ball that you could not hit.

 

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Having a DD that pitches and being a very big part of her pitching I can share this. She hits 62 in her lessons after warm-ups. She gets clocked every lesson with a jugs gun. I have to say that I had one of those Bushnells and they are worthless. They can be plus or minus 5 each pitch, (i'll bet those dads love the plus 5's). I have to say that she hits that 62 pretty consistant in her lessons and is clocked about 8-10 times. Our last tournament we were playing in the Sparks Invite 16u in Chicago and there have been a couple coaches kinda interested in her, well they both were in Chicago. They knew the games she was pitching and they both brought their Jugs guns and they sat together. They clocked her about 5-7 pitches every inning she threw in the game. One of the other pitchers dads on our team said "I am going to go down and see what she is hitting this game cause it looks like she is really bringing it today. Both coaches guns clocked her the same as she was consistantly hitting 57-58 in the game, hitting 60 only once. LadyKnights is on the money with what he is saying about speeds. The other dad talked to the one coach that was interested in my DD and SHE said that its not the speed she likes about her as much as the North and South on her pitches and the 37 MPH ball she throws that tails away down from the hitters.

Guess I am rambling on a bit to much here but what I am trying to say is be realistic about what speeds a girl can hit, and if you are getting clocked by anything but a Jugs gun, dont bother putting it on here at all. Some people will go "wow, she is hitting 63" when really its probably only 56.

 

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SB fam -- I was'nt speaking of Abby F , it';s the other girl who throws harder than her for sure (note I said HARDER NOT BETTER)

OP --I forgot about Montana but I was kinda trying to keep it to something I actually know a tad bit about -- 12u and 14u pitchers ! I think the kid you are talking about moved to east Columbus this fall.

lots of arguments/disagreements on this thread b/c not everyone is using the same standard -- game speed VS practice speed VS throw it as hard as you can speed .

I'll stick to what i said waaay back on pg 1 the BEST 12's hit about 55-57 (propably LIVE in the 53-55 range) and the BEST 14's hit 60 (but live in the 56-58 range)

 

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Dan was she the one that pitched the Slammer - Laser Red game at Gapps this year?
She did have some heat. The pitcher you have on your new team has one of the best change ups I have seen. Who cares how fast they are when they can pitch like that.