Toledo City League Predictions.

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Wow quick to push it off on to me, : :-? :-? ;D
Even tho this would Help you in the long run at the H.S. level.
Like you said Don't quit,
Well You DID..

But Next time, you need to start at the T-ball level then go from there that would be the Y's(YMCA) and Elementary school levels.

From what I heard in past you guys tried to do Clinics
Well That is not going to work if they, from a Young AGE already ARE not Interested and more into Basketball/ Volleyball because at a young age NO FAST-PITCH Softball was tauted.

START AT T-Ball then TRY to see were it Leads you..If I was a coach in one of these areas
I'll try it what the Heck...why not ..

 

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I think the organizations in this area are doing a fantastic job exposing as many young ladies as possible to the game. Eventually this will continue to spill into the urban communities and schools. It has already to some extent. We just need to continue getting kids involved in whatever way we can. "leading the horse to water" is the hard part, when you do it will drink it.

 

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I think the organizations in this area are doing a fantastic job exposing as many young ladies as possible to the game. Eventually this will continue to spill into the urban communities and schools. It has already to some extent. We just need to continue getting kids involved in whatever way we can. "leading the horse to water" is the hard part, when you do it will drink it.

If you Already lead that horse at birth for a while to that water you WON't have a Prob. it will take a lot of time but it will with hope should GROW.
that's my point.. Plant a SEED

 

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The seed is planted. ?Uber, fast2home, and 18 water it every sunday at Owens.

By the way, I second 18over's motion.....

 

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Ex - Both organizations have tried to start something at those schools you mentioned, but had little or no response. ?You can lead a horse to water... ?There is no question that there are a ton of softball people in NWO that would help those kids and coaches if they showed an interest in the game and an interest at working at it to get better, but we haven't seen it yet. ?We had the full blessing of the TPS Athletic Dept., but like I said, there was little to no interest. ?There was even an umpire that lives in one of the urban school districts that tried to get some training started for those kids, but he struck out too. ?I even tried to include the Boys and Girls Clubs and other influential organizations in those communities, but couldn't get a whiff of interest. ?For those of us that love the game and understand what it can do for young ladies, it's really too bad that they're missing out.

I remember when F2H and 18 were working on this, of course I thought it was great. Perhaps, and I know for us on here we wont believe this, but in those communities they dont have an interest in playing Fastpitch, I know Baseball is having a hell of a time getting inner-city kids playing ball. There was also a hockey program that failed that had major backing. The city of Detroit's inner city hockey program is starting to work, but that has been years and millions of donated dollars, equipment and volunteer hours and a wont take "no" attitude by certain organazations in Detroit. We dont quite have that here, we dont have a professional Softball team that is all the talk of our city with a Billionaire owner who doesnt mind a tax write off. I like the you can lead a horse to water analogy 18 had, I think he is right.

 

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You guys just Don't get my POINT , OH WELL ...I totally understand its easier to quit on these inner city girls at the older ages.
But My point is just start at the T-ball ages and up and work from year to year from that point on. Yea it'll prob take 8 years till they reach the high school level but hopefully by then it's gotten Much MUCH Bigger in that Area and Grown...

And No I Haven't seen any Seeds planted in the inner city School level YET by any of these guys...
If so Show me..Prove me WRONG

 

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No Excar, you better get out from behind the computer and see what has been done. Both the SGS and FAST has made attempts at the younger age groups by passing out flyers at the elementary schools on two different occassions. The result was one girl per clinic..... and the one we had was 18over's niece.
School aministrator were very apathetic at promoting the clinic...parents were apathetic at encouraging their girls and girls were apathetic about participating.
If you didn't get the point, it's called APATHY.
Now, if you are really interested, maybe you should go in and talk to the girls who fastpitch softball.

 

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If you want something done right do it yourself. I Bet FAST would bring you on EX as the urban program coordinator....What do you say F2H gotta volunteer job for him?

 

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Sounds great... Ex, can I put it down on the website????

 

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There were about 4 or 5 of us -- parent/coaches -- who put together fastpitch teams in the Start feeder area. (I thought Whitmer also tried for a while to put together younger teams.) We did this for about 4 or 5 years and I will say that there is definitely interest from the kids. Finding other parents willing (or able) to help out was next to impossible. So, even if the kids wanted to play, we couldn't find a parent willing to coach to carry on the program. (We saw little or no help from the high school -- occasionally use of a field.)

The other problem we faced in West Toledo was the Whitmer district's slowpitch program. It was huge! One of the dad's at our school found out about it and not only started his own team, but recruited every other age group in the school telling everyone how dangerous fastpitch was and how we shouldn't expose our girls to that...

I don't understand the city league high school programs who don't start feeder programs. It really isn't that difficult -- and F2H is certainly willing to help. If I were a coach, I'd be doing everything I could to get these kids started early.

(Of the 4 or 5 coaches I knew, three moved out of district, including me and one's kids are both in high school now. I know there are at least 6 kids sitting in one small elementary school in West Toledo who really want to play fastpitch and have nowhere to go.)

 

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Send them my way Bucks..... if I can't find a place this year, I will next year. If I had contact info, I can keep them updated on opportunities. I may still be looking for a 12U player or two.. need 4-5 14U and need 5-6 10U's for this coming season. Sharks are alos looking for a few players.

 

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Your right about the Washington Local slow pitch program, its really kind of funny. It is like going back to the early 80's ;D

 

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Will do, Fast. Thank you!

 

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I'm Done on that subject you guys Just Keep not Understanding me.. Or my point is JUst going OVER your heads.. I'm done. I see that Fast and 18-Over only see this as Insults..So I'm done
I was putting in my 2 cents as to how to fix the Prob, Like I stated EARLIER Clinics ARe NoT going to work ..as you now found out. YEA I KNOW its the Parents over all is the BIG prob and 1800's SLOW PITCH.
Maybe when my KIDS are all Grown up( got a 4 year old I'm looking to coach his Baseball teams so softball will be last thing on my mine)
I'll come looking in to helping start something from the GROUND up and see if it grows.
So Lets end this As I Disagree with all you..on how to do it or YOu People Just don't or didn't get my Point. Which isn't the End of the world...

 

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Excar,
I just received a phone call from a ex-Northend Dad about your thoughts. ?
Trust me, I know that I don't take what you say as an insult and neither doess Norm. ?We do know the efforts that we put in trying to establish urban softball. ?While your thoughts sounds good, we have tried this and it did not work.
We went to the schools, we talked to the principals and administrators... we have tried talking to inner city churches. ?The interest and attitudes are not there, unfortunately. ?What it is going to take is a grass root movement from the people living in the communities to make it work. ?I can give you names of two North end umpires who also tried... they failed (I hate to phrase it as "failed"... they didn't succeed.). ?One of them went to the Boy's and Girls Club looking for support. ?There has been lots of efforts to do what you are advocating without success.
The ex-Northend Dad was telling me how he would practice with his DD's at Wilson Park only to have hoodlums chase them out of there. ?He was telling me how the City has closed down some fields because of bald eagles nest.... so now we are saying bald eagles are more important than our inner city youths!!!!!! ?His older daughter played on the Woodward varsity team... without going into details, trust me there was lots of problems there.
So Excarkun, the going gets a little rough here on the forum and you are bailing out instead of trying to be a part of the solution. ?My invitation to be the Urban Program Director was in all seriousness. ?We will fund it, provide whatever is necessary to the person heading it up. ?If there is anyone else out there who would like to be part of the solution, please contact me and we will set up a committee and explore all options.
Excarkun, ?it's noble of you to care about the urban youths...... you think that all of us don't get your point..... we know the efforts that we have done so we probably have more insight of it than you could imagine. ?I think that your ownly experience with it is in your thoughts..... we have had the same thoughts and attempted to put them in action.
Please contact me if you would like to be involved.

p.s. I am not sure what A.S. is doing this summer.....that team has not been put together yet.

 

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Why are you discounting the hard work and efforts that have been made? You make it sound as if noone is trying. The truth is that there are alot of good people donating their time to promote this game in the entire area, including urban Toledo. The inner city girls have just as much opportunity to participate as the suburban girls do. There are girls from the City of Toledo that do participate, there are just more from the surrounding areas.

 

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FAST tried to generate interest in inner city program, and SGS did the same, with the same results. The problem is complex. There aren't many fields around, and players interest is more along the other sports being offered. I think TPS could benefit in some sports [softball, volleyball and softball] what some teams in other cities have done: Combine. So the kids from Libbey maybe would play with Bowsher kids as an example. This won't fly up here right now due to the Collective Bargaining units. PLUS any TPS kid can go to about any TPS school they want, so a really interested/talented player say from Scott [who usually doesn't even have a varsity softball team] could go to Waite, bowsher or start to play if they wanted to. Ex- your points are valued, but they've been explored. At Bowsher we developed a feeder program, and it took as much time as the high school program or maybe more to develop and sustain. There isn't a lot of cooperation as FAST says, and it really drained the time and resources of our staff.

 

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I have debated wether or not to comment on this because am not the brightest in how to generate intrest in fastpitch but here is my opinion...I was just wondering and this is no shot at any HS varstity coaches but are any of these Varsity coaches in the TCL trying to do anything about the fact we stuggle with the game of fastpitch in certain areas..... why are there so little freshman teams anymore is it Numbers or Talent?... I beleive that a Varsity coach should try to build a program for the future and not just put a team together for one year..(Now I know there are coaches in the area that are doing this so do not yell at me...lol) Now I know SGS and Fast has done alot of work trying to get ladies involved...I do not know who SGS is peronally but I know Fast and there is NOBODY in the area that wants fastpitch to be succsessfull in NWO than him...but we need the help of HS coaches and parents to develop players in these areas.....As i said before I do not have the answers but I would be willing to help in anyway.....Now I may be way of base here and I am sure someone will let me know if I am... but....this is what I feel.....

 

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I'm going to think you need First the support and (maybe $)of city Counsel/ /Mayor of Toledo with help with parks and such. ANd we all know they Need Work and HELP. : : bald Eagels..don't want to hit one with a Home run...

But I think I wouldn't even tell anyone it's FastPitch Unless they Ask Just SOftball.. and leave it at that.


But I'm Done , lets move on...Sorry if I insulted any one on this but from talking to people in from parts of Toledo and ALways telling them about softball, and point them in your direction M.D. but they also want to find a local team and We all Know there's is None..

I'm done till Next Year... THE HORSE IS DEAD. Lets NOT BEAT AnyMOre well I'm NOt: ;D

 

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Ok I Want More info On Who or How many STud Pitchers there is in CCHS Anyone?? BY now after a week of P/C I think there is a Winner/STARTER?????