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Does your school system employ a FT or PT psychologist ? I found out the hard way ours does .

HERE IS THE KICKER !!!! -- the school says the parent DOES NOT have to give permission for the student to speak to the school shrink. AND if your child does speak to the school shrink you don't even have to be notified ! On top of that the shrink in a 25 yr old or so openly homosexual INTERN . Like I said we found found out the hard way, my son spoke to this person last NOVEMBER and we found out about it yesterday. I'm furious but don't know what I can do. Other than to tell the school my son does not need any moral/religious/social advice from some young *** clown posing as a professional.

I feel violated . Does this pass the smell test -- should this be able to happen ? MD

 

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Oddly to say, most schools have one on call versus FT. Goshen and Clinton-Massie does.

I would think a professional counselor in an individual setting .... then a family setting when the time comes... is best. Something that the parents can be a part of and know the situation.

 

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Seems like you are more upset at the fact that the counselor was gay than the fact that your son sought help without your permission. That is a whole other can of worms...I would be happy that he felt he had someone he could talk to, regardless of their sexual orientation.

 

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I cannot believe that the school administration thinks that this is okay. As a parent you have every right to decide what & who your child is exposed to. I don't mean to make this a political issue, but we have become WAY to liberal in our education system.

If you do not want your child exposed to this person, that should be the end of it. If your childs needs help, you decide who or if they see someone. I would be outside the school board building with news cameras and a bull-horn until they made it right.

Just because someone has a piece of paper saying they passed some classes does not make them qualified to counsel your kids. I think life experience, having kids of your own, etc... would be much more of a qualification. The whole no parent notification part is totally wrong. What if your kid is really depressed and Lord-forbid does something drastic, you may never be the wiser until it is to late.

I don't need to know why my kid is there, just that they are there and maybe why they felt they couldn't come to me. You can't correct a situation if you don't know it exists. Once again, the mentality that they know what is best for our kids and we don't.

 

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That was signed by Republican Bob Taft .... a republican liberal.

 

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KLump ----what if the CHILD already is under of the care of licensed caring health professional ? are you saying it's a good idea for a teen or pre teen to be counseled on ANY TOPIC by an INTERN ? without the permission of the parents ? where do you stand ?


PS the principle told me 2 hrs ago there is no papers or chart to be able to examine what the visit was concerning, THEN the intern told my wife their was documentation of the meeting. sounds like I'm getting the run around.

 

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No, I'd want to know that my kid sought advise. You just seem more upset that the guy is gay. There are INTERN teachers that teach your children everyday that you don't know about. My daughter confides in tons of her school mates on a dialy basis. I wouldn't be upset that she looked for help with a trained professional I would just hope that they would tell me about it. I'd rather my daughter talk to someone like that than some of the people she does talk to. After this rash of teen suicides due to bullying and other issues, I'd be glad my kid was talking to someone. There are much worse alternatives. How likely will it be that they ask for help again if you freak out about them seeking help this time?

 

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What? I would be furious if our schools withheld that information on a shrink and their sexual orientation, also that if my dd saw that person. I'm sorry, as a Christian, I would have serious issues with my child seeing someone who is same-sex orientation. If a family or child is a Christian strongly believe in those values and can't afford Christain/Cathloic schools; then the public schools must provide that child options, not what they provide. Furthermore, they must immediately alert the parents if they don't/can't provide the child needs if the child stand on their values. We have just as much rights as the non-believer or whatever. It works both ways.

JMHO

 

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The school nurse can't even give our kids an aspirin without a parents permission, there is no way there should be anything like this going on with out it.

 

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To be really really clear-- this is about PARENTAL RIGHTS AND NOTIFICATION !!! My child met with a health care person (not a professional anything) without my knowledge to discuss matters UNKNOWN to me.

klump--I'd also like to know why you infer I'm upset the guy is gay ? I mentioned him as quote "25 yr old or so openly gay INTERN" . Never said anything negative about his sexual choice. Why did that make you so defensive ?

But since you brought it up would that any difference to you if your 12 yr old or 15 yr old was having a sexual identity crisis (mine is 17 and is not) and the counsel the school provided was a young Intern of the same sex as your child ? that may not matter to you after all " just be glad they have some one to talk to " Wake up !

 

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Other than to tell the school my son does not need any moral/religious/social advice from some young *** clown posing as a professional.
MD

Sounds negative to me. I'd just be glad my kid was seeking help instead of taking matters into her own hands.

 

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brownsfan, I am curious to know, what does ones sexual orientation have with their ability to do their job? Based on your beliefs, if your life or your childs life was on the line, would you decline care from a medical provider that was a homosexual based on that fact? I respect your right to your opinion or feelings and/or beliefs regarding ones sexual orientation. But think it's unfair to think that an openly gay person is unable to provide the same level of care as a hetero. I also don't think because someone is a homosexual the school should have to notify the parents of this anymore than to say "Hey, Mr. Hill is straight" that's private information. Homosexuality does not equal being a pervert.

Okay, so as to not totally hi-jack this thread and to keep it on topic. I grew up with wonderful supportive parents. Some things, I just didn't feel comfortable discussing with them. I would feel bad if they were offended or took that personally, but I had an adult that I trusted and confided in when I was a teenager, and for that, I am thankful. Kids grow up right before your eyes and turn into adults before you know it. ManitouDan, you sound like a very supportive and involved father. I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

 

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To be really really clear-- this is about PARENTAL RIGHTS AND NOTIFICATION !!! My child met with a health care person (not a professional anything) without my knowledge to discuss matters UNKNOWN to me.

klump--I'd also like to know why you infer I'm upset the guy is gay ? I mentioned him as quote "25 yr old or so openly gay INTERN" . Never said anything negative about his sexual choice. Why did that make you so defensive ?

But since you brought it up would that any difference to you if your 12 yr old or 15 yr old was having a sexual identity crisis (mine is 17 and is not) and the counsel the school provided was a young Intern of the same sex as your child ? that may not matter to you after all " just be glad they have some one to talk to " Wake up !

Dan, it is because you made a point to acknowledge his/her sexual orientation vs just his/her qualifications (INTERN). It is no different than if you would have acknowledged his race/ethnicity - it would have been inferred as a raceist comment.

I agree it is a school policy/communication issue - we should probably stick with that.

The religous right of the forum can educate us on the 'love thy neighbor unless their gay' doctrine at a later time.

Debating same-sex orientation on a fastpitch softball forum, go figure.

 

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[. Other than to tell the school my son does not need any moral/religious/social advice from some young *** clown posing as a professional.

Klump, gay is not the 3 letter word I put in his *** ,he would have just said gay.
ManitouDan I got to say I'm with you on this. If my child talks with someone (INTERN) I want to know about it, If not and something happens they wouldn't like me very well.

 

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Debating same-sex orientation on a fastpitch softball forum, go figure.[/QUOTE]

At least it is the Non-Softball section of the Forum

 

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This is just one of the small problems with public schools. They will expel your kid for having an aspirin, but some will help your teenage daughter get an abortion without your knowledge. Public schools continue to produce poorer and poorer results and spend more and more money per student. Give 10-20 thousand dollars per student to a private school and see how quick the education crisis in this country gets fixed.....only without the political indoctrination that is going on in our schools today. Privatize our schools!

 

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brownsfan, I am curious to know, what does ones sexual orientation have with their ability to do their job? Based on your beliefs, if your life or your childs life was on the line, would you decline care from a medical provider that was a homosexual based on that fact? I respect your right to your opinion or feelings and/or beliefs regarding ones sexual orientation. But think it's unfair to think that an openly gay person is unable to provide the same level of care as a hetero. I also don't think because someone is a homosexual the school should have to notify the parents of this anymore than to say "Hey, Mr. Hill is straight" that's private information. Homosexuality does not equal being a pervert.

Okay, so as to not totally hi-jack this thread and to keep it on topic. I grew up with wonderful supportive parents. Some things, I just didn't feel comfortable discussing with them. I would feel bad if they were offended or took that personally, but I had an adult that I trusted and confided in when I was a teenager, and for that, I am thankful. Kids grow up right before your eyes and turn into adults before you know it. ManitouDan, you sound like a very supportive and involved father. I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

good and fair post. i'm glad you joined in.

very tough topic ( i should have just left the gay comment OUT ) but this very young , and with that , very inexperienced person has no right to counsel my son on anything without mine and the Mrs approval -- thats the issue. my son saw a health care individual without our consent. Thats just not right. MD

 

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At least it is the Non-Softball section of the Forum

Well you've got a point there.

 

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good and fair post. i'm glad you joined in.

very tough topic ( i should have just left the gay comment OUT ) but this very young , and with that , very inexperienced person has no right to counsel my son on anything without mine and the Mrs approval -- thats the issue. my son saw a health care individual without our consent. Thats just not right. MD

Dan. I agree 100%.

 

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mike -- i see your point , but lets cut to the chase -- your 13u dd is having a sexual identity issue , you find out 5 months later that Jane, a 24 yr old openly gay intern, at the school who looks like a marine drill instructor has been providing help sorting this out for your dd , you have no complaints about that ? answer honest. thanks MD