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Yes good idea. Sometimes there are things (like this) that go on that we as parents are unaware of no matter how involved we are.
Yes good idea. Sometimes there are things (like this) that go on that we as parents are unaware of no matter how involved we are.
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Wow this is a touchy issue. I see kids going to lessons with private softball instructors that are also openly gay and very exceptional teachers and coaches, and a lot of parents are cool with that, but when a counselor is gay at school we are losing our minds. I personally see that where we are OK with the private instructor is that we are still in control of the situation and we are the employer and are seeking what they have to teach, which is not how to be gay. I believe that if a gay counselor at a school has a child seek their help about being confused with their sexual preference that counselor must in all ethically standings remove themselves from that situation because of their personally beliefs. This should at least be in a group setting with at least one other counselor who is hetersexual. And if we are talking about child safety how does involving the parents in this converation protect the child, especially if it is suppose to be confidential why is it all over campus does not involving the parents actually jepordize the childs safety (just listen to the news aobut the beating of a gay man at Miami of Oxford).
Here is one to really reflect on. If we removed GOD from our schools because it offended some of the population, why can't they remove the homosexual influence from the schools because it offends others. Better yet leave the homosexuals but have a school minister on call for these type of situations. How can we pick and choice what is PC it has to be fair all the way around, and GOD needs some spokesmen in these types of situations.
Here is one to really reflect on. If we removed GOD from our schools because it offended some of the population, why can't they remove the homosexual influence from the schools because it offends others. Better yet leave the homosexuals but have a school minister on call for these type of situations. How can we pick and choice what is PC it has to be fair all the way around, and GOD needs some spokesmen in these types of situations.
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my .02. A 25 year old intern might better understand one of our kids than a 55 yr old shrink who thinks that twitter is the small speaker above the woofer.
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so being technologically savy equates to good pyschological advice ? good grief . no wonder it's difficult for sane people to function in todays world. Yep most 25 yr olds have really solid grip on life.
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Judging by some comments I've read, most adults do not have a solid grip on life.
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Despite knowing this subject wasn't the main issue of MD, I feel like I have to respond to you, 4thgame. I want to make sure that I'm understanding your point. A child confides in a school counselor that they are questioning their sexuality. If that counselor is gay, it is unethical for them to counsel the child? Any counseling done by the gay counselor should be in the presence of a straight counselor? I'm not sure I'm understanding your point, but it seems that you're saying the gay counselor cannot be a professional counselor simply because they are gay.
Someone earlier posted that the 25yr old who understands social media might be able to better help kids than a 55yr old. I can understand this point. Can the older, out-of-touch employee relate to a child who is being harassed & bullied over twitter based on their perceived sexuality (to keep with the original topic)?
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I have always been one to preserve and protect my own intregrity and not place it in harms way. Knowing that a individual with strong beliefs in one direction whether it is for gay rights, or even something like abortion if you are a counselor and are offering advice to a minor you are in a very influencial position that could lead to nothing but heartache for you, and if you offer advice that changes the direction of that individuals lifes direction the parents will more than likely loose their minds. So what I am saying is that if that counselors personal decisions and beliefs could be considered bias they either need to have a counter balance (a individual from the opposite belief), or remove themselves from the situation and allow a non-bias individual to step in.
I just spoke with a local high school counselor near my work place and she stated that if they do any type of clinical evaluation or treatment the parents have to be notified.
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Quaker, Most folks are brainwashed and prefer that ""reality"". The truth of the world would drive them nuts. As to homosexuals it is a very normal behaviour and I can't understand the folks who deny it. Just like left handed folks are normal.
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When one gets right to the point wouldn't a gay couselor be best for a gay 15 year old?? This counselor would be able to understand the problems the child is dealing with. Some hardcore relgious nut who spouts Bible verses would be the ABSOLUTE last person I would want around my child.
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I just think the child is not "satisfied" with the previous counselor and obviously went searching out to another to "discuss" their thoughts.
Now, a second meeting... the parents should be notified and attend. Then hopefully, parents and child can find a common ground and search another to work out the problems and thoughts. Someone they BOTH can have confidence in talking to.
Obviously, by seeking another, the child does not have confidence in the current person being seen.
Children are our future and precious... and getting "worked up" is in their nature as children. We just have to make sure they don't get too worked up and do something silly. God bless the children of the world. That's the common ground WE all have in life.
Lose one and you'll figure it out.
Now, a second meeting... the parents should be notified and attend. Then hopefully, parents and child can find a common ground and search another to work out the problems and thoughts. Someone they BOTH can have confidence in talking to.
Obviously, by seeking another, the child does not have confidence in the current person being seen.
Children are our future and precious... and getting "worked up" is in their nature as children. We just have to make sure they don't get too worked up and do something silly. God bless the children of the world. That's the common ground WE all have in life.
Lose one and you'll figure it out.
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thats why you get raise your kid as free as you want and I HOPE I GET THE FREEDOM TO RAISE MINE ! thats the point NUMBSKULL ! OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD"NT WANT A PASTOR GUIDING YOUR KID JUST AS I DON"T WANT A HOMOSEXUAL GUIDING MINE !!! BUT MY RIGHTS TO CHOSE HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY !!!!!! are you blind ? or just that dumb ? MD
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We love ya Dan. Your rights should begin with the second meeeting and personally... ... I'd make sure that I was allowed to attend. A $25-$50.00 bill to an attorney to make that call to the superintendant to make sure...in my opinion.. is well worth it.
First time is one thing... second time is something different altogether in my opinion.
First time is one thing... second time is something different altogether in my opinion.
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So let me get this right you are saying that all pastors are hardcore religous nuts. Your brief post just reflects how much we all can be hypacrits about our views. I'm just saying that we need to have an open mind and have all those involved in the room. But I'm with Dan I wouldn't want my kids to be counseled by a young gay individual over something like sexual preference without somebody else in the room who is not gay.
And looking at it from your view point maybe the best person to talk with kids about drugs would be a drug dealer, and somebody about premarital sex a prostitute. So what is right in some individuals eyes is not always right in everybodies eyes, and the view of homosexuallity can be just as offensive to some as the use of drugs and premarital sex.
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I see nothing wrong with the guidance of some pastors. I certainly would not want a flaming screamer to cousel my child.
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I like the idea that a pastor guides me on religion.. but at the same time I think for myself as well.
Seek out the professional .... one that both parties can relate to ... and get to talking with your kids. Discuss it in a rational manner and listen instead of "imputting"... and sometimes we learn more about the child than we ever thought we knew.
But, I would never, ever set still for a second meeting to ever happen without my presence as a father or mother. Has nothing to do with gay - or straight - it has to do with my child. Period.
A phone call to a lawyer to call the super.. a Writ of Mandamus.. asking the court to stop this second meeting WITHOUT my presence...whatever it took.
But, then damn well find someone that the boy is comfortable with talking to in front of you.... and go with it.
You guys need to give compassion to the child and quit this argueing about gay or straight counselors, whatever.
It's flat out not working whatever is going on ... and a kid is mixed up in it ... seeking compassion and wanting to understand his feelings and thoughts. And feels that nobody is listening to him.
Bottom line.
Seek out the professional .... one that both parties can relate to ... and get to talking with your kids. Discuss it in a rational manner and listen instead of "imputting"... and sometimes we learn more about the child than we ever thought we knew.
But, I would never, ever set still for a second meeting to ever happen without my presence as a father or mother. Has nothing to do with gay - or straight - it has to do with my child. Period.
A phone call to a lawyer to call the super.. a Writ of Mandamus.. asking the court to stop this second meeting WITHOUT my presence...whatever it took.
But, then damn well find someone that the boy is comfortable with talking to in front of you.... and go with it.
You guys need to give compassion to the child and quit this argueing about gay or straight counselors, whatever.
It's flat out not working whatever is going on ... and a kid is mixed up in it ... seeking compassion and wanting to understand his feelings and thoughts. And feels that nobody is listening to him.
Bottom line.
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