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MaitouDan,

I'm with you on this one too. Aside from the fact that a parent should be informed of this counceling, at least to ask their kids if there is anything that is bothering them. Gay or straight, people have every right to be what they want to be and should not be descriminated against. That being said, I don't need the school or some school councelor with totally twisted morals teaching my kids that being a homosexual is normal either. Over the last 30 years homosexuality has been thrust, so to speak, into the mainstream, and do to political correctness, in my opinion, has messed up a lot of our kids who are in a vulnerable time in their development. Homosexuality is not normal and that is what we are teaching our kids when we see it on every prime time television show. To each their own, but facts are facts.

 

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Dan, I agree with you too on the issue of parents being involved in the matter and should be notified and examing any documents.....

I don't agree with you on the matter of basing ones qualifications based on sexual orientation though or age.

I've seen doctors coming straight out of med school waaaaaayyyyy smarter than some of these older doctors.

 

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I'm not bashing his qualifications, just stating that he is an INTERN , kinda like potential in travel ball. would you want a 33 yr old cardiac surgeon doing his 1st bypass on you or a 55 yr old who has performed 1000's ? pretty easy answer . MD

 

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Dan, I agree with you too on the issue of parents being involved in the matter and should be notified and examing any documents.....

I don't agree with you on the matter of basing ones qualifications based on sexual orientation though or age.

I've seen doctors coming straight out of med school waaaaaayyyyy smarter than some of these older doctors.

This is fine if they are treating a sore throat or a broken finger. Getting into our kids head behind closed doors, and validating/manipulating what your child is going through or dealing with is something else. If I ever had to send one of my kids to a psychologist, I would certainly check out their credentials extensively prior to exposing my child them, why in the **** should I just accept the person the school hired off the street?

 

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mike -- i see your point , but lets cut to the chase -- your 13u dd is having a sexual identity issue , you find out 5 months later that Jane, a 24 yr old openly gay intern, at the school who looks like a marine drill instructor has been providing help sorting this out for your dd , you have no complaints about that ? answer honest. thanks MD

If the counselor was a professional I would want to be informed and aware of what was going on. If the couselor finished every statement with ""In the end , Christ wins . It's that simple. Are you ready for your end ? I am ."" I would want to present for ALL counseling. If I would even allow it.

 

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Actually, my specialist is 2 years out of internship and he found my health problem in one test instead of the three older doctors that couldn't find nothing wrong and put me through 2 plus years of sickness because they are idiots.

The person you go to now.... did you do research on his credentials ? Or found him in a phone book and then you was assured because you saw his diploma on the wall behind his desk that he is " good and experienced" and he's old ?

Sounds to me that your son is reaching out and the person involved in the health issues that you have now ... is not doing "their" job if your son continues to search out help and answers to his questions.

Find someone that you both as a parent and a child can relate to... and not just you.Maybe your son is not "comfortable" with the current person that you have. There is indeed a REASON he has went to another.

Go to another and another and another...whatever it takes for all to be comfortable talking.

Best to you Dan and your family.....my prayers are with you and your family.

 

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If the counselor was a professional I would want to be informed and aware of what was going on. If the couselor finished every statement with ""In the end , Christ wins . It's that simple. Are you ready for your end ? I am ."" I would want to present for ALL counseling. If I would even allow it.

 

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I'm not a counselor to you or your children. but feel free to accept the truth . life is a vapor , got to be ready to check out at any time. my sig is more of a statement to me than to the public , I change my sig every week or so, I know that one ask a question to the OFC masses but whatever, in the end.......... MD

 

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I'm not a counselor to you or your children. but feel free to accept the truth . life is a vapor , got to be ready to check out at any time. my sig is more of a statement to me than to the public , I change my sig every week or so, I know that one ask a question to the OFC masses but whatever, in the end.......... MD

Well said!

 

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got to share this --it's about QM's question about searching for the right person or the best credentialed person. Or the best person. Or God's person

I had a health issue come up in my family. I knew of a Dr . Smith that fit the criteria for what we needed , called his huntington WV office (an hour from home) office to learn he had transferred out of town. I ask where to -- they said Cincinnati Oh. ( 2 hours 15 min from home ) I was in a position where what we needed was not offered locally so I called the cinci office to be told " SORRY no new patients "

So some time goes by and despite trying to get some help from other areas the health situation is worsening and some treatment options have not worked very well, so I call this cinci office again only this time I voice some , shall I say, desperation in my call that was honest, not a ploy but a plea, but again told " I'm sorry sir " Dr Smith can not see your son.

to shorten the tale my son was admitted to Cinci hospital about 2-3 weeks later , and was told the doctor on call would see him in the am. So the next am as we set in the hospital room imagine our surprise when a fella in a white coat walks up and announces " HI I"M DR SMITH " nice to meet you. just coincidence I guess ? felt moved to share that. God watches , God knows every detail. He is in control. thats all I have to say. MD

 

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I DO think that when it comes to counseling, race, religion, politics and sexuality DO come into play. Not the same as teaching where it doesn't. Not the subjectivity in teaching. I have nothing against anyone who has different views about religion, politics or sexuality but if my kid is going to be counseled on those subjects I want that counselor to be of the same thoughts as my wife and I or comfortable that they wouldn't lead my kids in any direction. NO WAY the school should be involved with-out parental consent.

 

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To be really really clear-- this is about PARENTAL RIGHTS AND NOTIFICATION !!! My child met with a health care person (not a professional anything) without my knowledge to discuss matters UNKNOWN to me.

klump--I'd also like to know why you infer I'm upset the guy is gay ? I mentioned him as quote "25 yr old or so openly gay INTERN" . Never said anything negative about his sexual choice. Why did that make you so defensive ?

But since you brought it up would that any difference to you if your 12 yr old or 15 yr old was having a sexual identity crisis (mine is 17 and is not) and the counsel the school provided was a young Intern of the same sex as your child ? that may not matter to you after all " just be glad they have some one to talk to " Wake up !

MD, I'm with you all the way around on this. and the white elephant in the room is wrong too. A 25yr old gay(male) has alone time unsupervised, with my son....Are you kidding me. I expect my 14yr old daughter to NEVER have to have a 1on1 alone time with a teacher of either sex or preference. 1 on 1 alone time between School officials and child are NO LONGER appropriate under any circumstance.

WITH YOU..... Those wondering need to WAKE UP. Go gettem MD.

 

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mike -- i see your point , but lets cut to the chase -- your 13u dd is having a sexual identity issue , you find out 5 months later that Jane, a 24 yr old openly gay intern, at the school who looks like a marine drill instructor has been providing help sorting this out for your dd , you have no complaints about that ? answer honest. thanks MD

Dan:

1) I believe in nature over nurture. Who she talks to doesn't matter from that perspective.

2) Despite the Seinfeld episode to the contrary, I don't believe that people of same-sex-orientation get bonus points for recruiting more to join their team.

3) I am not religiously devout, but a pet peeve of mine is when those who are show lack of tolerance.

4) Our DDs play a sport where at the more elite levels 'a not so insignificant number' of players/coaches are of a same-sex-orientation. Even more in basketball. And have you ever seen a division I field hockeye team - wow. It's all part of the life lessons, exposure and tolerance I want my DD to learn through female sports, attending college, etc....

Remeber the pitcher from CA who was offered by Arizona as a freshman, then killed herself. When I heard that story the very first thing I thought of was a sexual-identity-crisis. I have no idea if that was the case, but it immediately came to my mind. That's as cut to the chase as I can get.

But yes, until she is 18 I'd want to stay involved and be informed.

 

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thanks for the honest reply ( and kudos for the Seinfeld reference) MD

 

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I DO think that when it comes to counseling, race, religion, politics and sexuality DO come into play. Not the same as teaching where it doesn't. Not the subjectivity in teaching. I have nothing against anyone who has different views about religion, politics or sexuality but if my kid is going to be counseled on those subjects I want that counselor to be of the same thoughts as my wife and I or comfortable that they wouldn't lead my kids in any direction. NO WAY the school should be involved with-out parental consent.

Wow Musty. I wouldn't care if the counselor was black, asian, white, Russian or whatever... as long as my kid was getting the proper help and feeling better about themselves.

And wanting to having a counselor that "THINKS" like you and your wife... how does that help the kid who might happen to think differently? They are not robots. They are confused and scared kids. What are you going to do... tell the mental health expert..." This is what I want you to tell her/him and nothing more. That is OUR views"...

And my personal opinion is there is no way in heck that I'd take my kid to a religious counselor especially after we have seen ministers and preists being "outed" as pedophiles themselves...... they are not TRAINED in the mental aspect of mental health. Religious health..maybe ... but not mental health.

 

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I can't speak for Klump, but I'm guessing it was this sentence...

Other than to tell the school my son does not need any moral/religious/social advice from some young *** clown posing as a professional. MD

On a side note, since it's relevant to this post & not a hijack, some of these replies have surprised me. We all spend most of our summers with kids still trying to figure out who they are. They are confused, questioning, and often times, scared out of their mind that their parents will reject them if they knew what they were really doing & thinking. Should we shun those kids? Make them feel less than or un-"Christian"? I'm sure that we're all around many more gay & lesbian people everyday than we realize. If we can't deal with our kids' simple interactions with someone in a professional setting, how will we deal with our kids when they tell us they're 'different' in some way?

 

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thanks for the honest reply ( and kudos for the Seinfeld reference) MD

Thanks MD, I loved that episode.

And just so I don't start getting Obama 2012 emails, I am a fiscal-conservative republican and card carrying member of the NRA.

 

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Wow Musty. I wouldn't care if the counselor was black, asian, white, Russian or whatever... as long as my kid was getting the proper help and feeling better about themselves.

And wanting to having a counselor that "THINKS" like you and your wife... how does that help the kid who might happen to think differently? They are not robots. They are confused and scared kids. What are you going to do... tell the mental health expert..." This is what I want you to tell her/him and nothing more. That is OUR views"...

And my personal opinion is there is no way in heck that I'd take my kid to a religious counselor especially after we have seen ministers and preists being "outed" as pedophiles themselves...... they are not TRAINED in the mental aspect of mental health. Religious health..maybe ... but not mental health.

And HOW would you know your kid is getting the "proper help" if the school sends them to someone you never met?

Not everyone who seeks counseling is "confused and scared".

In your hasty desire to look good, say the right thing and be PC you are missing the point. Without meeting this counselor you don't know if they if they have an agenda or not. Extreme examples, I have strong Christian beliefs, I do want my kids to get "counseling" from the leader of an atheist group or just as bad a Quaker who despises George Washington and spews false bias views on him. Don't want them to get "counseling" from a white supremacist" group. I could go on but maybe you are getting the point. I want their thinking to be along the lines of my families, share similar beliefs and values.

And you are really goofy if you lump all Priests and Ministers as pedophiles.

 

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Without meeting this counselor you don't know if they if they have an agenda or not.

This is a true statement, so why are so many assuming that this intern was anything less than professional with the student?

 

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This is a true statement, so why are so many assuming that this intern was anything less than professional with the student?

You would take that chance with your kid. Let them spend time alone with an adult councilor you never met? And you didn't even know they were meeting???